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Mr. Miller. Well, you have to include California in that. 



Mr. Ensign. Yes, absolutely. 



Mr. Miller. And Colorado. 



Mr. Ensign. And the states that are affected by that. Absolutely. 



Mr. Miller. Right. 



Mr. Ensign. But at the same time 



Mr. Miller. And the taxpayers of the country. They don't give 

 away their vote. 



Mr. Ensign. We need to be stewards. No question. We need to 

 be stewards of the taxpayer dollars, but I think you bring up a very 

 good point and that is the more we can get it back to the states, 

 the better off we will all be, and that includes the tax dollars and 

 everj^hing else. The less Federal control, I think we will all be a 

 lot better off. Thank you. 



Mr. Miller. Yes. I appreciate now that people have the project, 

 they have the interest-free loans for 35 years, and they have the 

 subsidies, and they have the valuable land, they are saying, "Let 

 us call the deal off. Let us control it." This project serves the entire 

 State of California and has 



Mr. Radanovich. Will the gentleman yield? 



Mr. Miller. One second. 



Mr. Radanovich. Thank you. 



Mr. Miller. And has implications for the entire state. That is 

 what we have learned in the Central Valley Improvement Act. 

 That is what we learned in Bay-Delta. Nobody could be left out, 

 and nobody could opt out because given our situation in California 

 now, you must, in fact, participate because water usage in the state 

 is changing. The economics of the state is changing. The economy 

 of the state is changing, and the growth of the state has continued, 

 and that is why all water implicates everyone else in every other 

 region. Yes, I yield to the gentleman. 



Mr. Radanovich. Thank you, Mr. Miller. I guess, you know, I am 

 sitting here with my colleagues, Mr. Chairman Doolittle, Mr. 

 Dooley, Mr. Fazio, and Mr. Thomas who was here, and also Mr. 

 Herger, who represent the area that the CVP operates in, and 

 I 



Mr. Miller. No, I do too. See- 



Mr. Radanovich. Well, not necessarily. 



Mr. Miller. No. I do. I have 90,000 people on a contract, and 

 I represent the delta. 



Mr. Radanovich. That is fine but you don't 



Mr. Miller. Directly implicated. 



Mr. Radanovich. You don't represent agriculture in that district, 

 and I will make that point. What I am trying to say is that you 

 are viewed as an outsider who is coming into the valley trying to 

 tell 



Mr. Miller. Well, excuse me. 



Mr. Radanovich. No. Just let me make this point. You are 

 viewed as an outsider coming in- 



Mr. Miller. I have lived in the state 25 years- 



Mr. Radanovich. Will the gentleman yield? I believe I have got 

 the time. I would like the courtesy of making a point, sir. 

 Mr. Miller. Yes. 



