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Dr. Brown. Pardon me, may I just correct myself? There are 

 two institutions which give bachelor's degrees in oceanography. 



Mr. Miller. They recognize the basis of these degrees is not a bac- 

 calaureate degree in oceanography, but it is a degree in one of the 

 disciplines of science, is it not ? 



Dr. Brown. Yes. 



Mr. Miller. You come in as a chemist, engineer, or physicist. 

 These are the things so badly needed in this field. This is the short- 

 age in the field. 



Before we get into that we have got to do something too to make 

 this field a little more attractive. In other words, if scientists are 

 going to go into it, they know they are going to have something. 



Let me use this as a sounding board, Mr. Chairman. There are 

 two or three men sitting in this room who risk their lives every time 

 they go into a bathyscaph, but under the rules of the Navy they can't 

 be paid the pay given to submarine officers, because they are not in 

 the submarine service, so they sacrifice this pay to go into this new 

 field. I think I am very hopeful that by administrative action this 

 can be corrected. If it isn't going to be corrected by administrative 

 action, I am going to try to correct it by legislation. I think that 

 here is the type of thing where oceanography has become the sort of 

 "poor cousin" of the rest of the science in the Federal Government. 

 This is the thing, the greatest contribution we can make, which is to 

 begin to educate people to the absolute necessity of the recognition of 

 science and the scientists in this field, and the great potentiality that 

 oceanography holds. I have nothing further. 



Mr. Anfuso. Thank you Dr. Miller 



Mr. Miller. Now, wait a minute, do you want to get rough ? 



Mr. Anfuso. No, I meant that, I think you deserve it, I think I 

 should say doctor. 



Mr. Fulton. Call everybody doctor. 



Mr. Anfuso. I think some day we will have to award you a doc- 

 torate, and I think you deserve it. 



May I say this committee for the record does not intend to infringe 

 or trespass upon the rights of any committee, especially that of the 

 committee on which I serve, too, the Committee on Merchant Marine 

 and Fisheries. 



I hope we can cooperate with all existing committees, and perhaps 

 accomplish the things that you have testified to and the things that 

 Mr. Miller would like to have accomplished. 



Mr. Fulton? 



Mr. Fulton. I am glad to have you here. I think you made an 

 excellent statement, 



The problem comes up on jurisdiction, while we are on that sub- 

 ject, among congressional committees. 



There certainly must be a sphere for the pure research science ap- 

 proach separate and apart, and, of course, in cooperation with the com- 

 mittees that have a more direct practical reason for entering the field, 

 for example, the Navy, for floating ships. The Merchant Marine and 

 Fisheries has it for the purpose of food — as I imagine the Department 

 of Agriculture has it for food — transportation and peacetime uses of 

 the sea. 



