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quest for one auxiliary general oceanographic research ship, an AGOR 

 of 1,200 to 1,300 tons. 



The request for support in oceanography comes in three different 

 appropriational areas, and if I might address myself to those just 

 briefly for your information : 



The research and development area, of which the program of the 

 Office of Naval Research is probably the largest component, is about 

 $17,624 million. 



The shipbuilding and construction program, which is under a 

 different appropriation commonly referred to in the Navy as SCN, 

 with which you are familiar, is not under my purview. Out of that 

 comes $4.9 million for one AGOR. 



There is another appropriation, "Operations and maintenance, 

 Navy," from which there is a sum of $295,000 for data processing and 

 handling, for a national data center. 



Mr. Karth. These are requests, Mr. Secretary ? 



Dr. Wakelin. Yes, these are requests in the budget. 



Mr. Karth. The $56 million is more, however, than what is recom- 

 mended in the budget, is that correct? Could you address yourself 

 to that question? 



Dr. Wakelin. Well 



Mr. Karth. Without being specific, is it more or less than re- 

 quested in the budget for that program ? 



Dr. Wakelin. Well, on the Navy's part, if I might address myself 

 to that part of it first, the Navy's part is low probably by one AGS 

 which is about $17 million — this is an oceanographic survey ship. 



The distribution of requests in the 1961 budget among the agencies 

 making up the $56 million, if I might give you those for your infor- 

 mation, includes for the Navy $22.9 million; for the Department of 

 Commerce, $13.2 million ; for the Department of Interior, $7.5 million ; 

 for the National Science Foundation, $9.3 million; for the Atomic 

 Energy Commission, $2.2 million; and for Health, Education, and 

 Welfare, $664,000. 



That makes a total of $55,754,000. 



Mr. Karth. Then if the budget recommendations are less than 

 your minimum requests, I suppose I could conclude that the budget 

 requests will not satisfy the most critical needs of our departments, is 

 that correct ? 



Dr. Wakelin. This is correct as a general statement, but I think 

 that the problem actually arises in the construction of ships and fa- 

 cilities, rather than in research and surveys and data processing. 



If I may expand on that just for a minute 



Mr. Karth. What about the amounts? Of course, if you don't 

 have the ships, you can't do the proper kind of research. 



Dr. Wakelin. Yes, this is correct. 



Mr. Karth. Irrespective of how much money you have in that par- 

 ticular category. 



Dr. Wakelin. Right. 



The problem we are going to have over the next 10 years is going 

 to become very critical in the 1962 to 1964 era because during that 

 period we are not only required to replace overage ships that are in- 

 cluded in the number of 52 that I talked to, but in order to augment 

 our potential we will have to build additional new ships. 



