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Dr. Lipp. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. That would make it much more economical for us: 

 in the West where they need water so badly, they can make it more 

 economical to produce it. That is correct, isn't it ? 



Dr. Lipp. Yes, sir. 



The Chairman. Mr. Miller. 



Mr. Miller. Dr. Lipp is knowledgeable on more practical fields, 

 but I think we better let some of that go for the time being because 

 it involves some things we don't want to go into. I want to compli- 

 ment the Doctor for a very fine statement. 



The Chairman. I would have thought the gentleman would have 

 alluded to his education there in California. 



Mr. Miller. I didn't do that because we have so many distinguished 

 Californians before this committee we just take it for granted. 



The Chairman. Mr. Van Pelt. 



Mr. Van Pelt. No questions. 



The Chairman. I think you have given us a very fine statement, 

 sir. It is the type of statement that we might spend days and weeks 

 developing because it covers many subjects, and subjects that need 

 exhausting. 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Chairman, it seems if the committee is interested 

 in the Mohole, the Subcommittee on Oceanography and Subcommittee 

 on Fisheries, have heard it and we would be glad to furnish it. 



The Chairman. I think it is nice to have reciprocity and on behalf 

 of the committee will accept the invitation, Mr. Miller. 



I think that covers the program this morning, Dr. Lipp, and we 

 do appreciate your action in coming here. 



Don't you envision in this development greater possibility for the 

 raising of the standards of the peoples of the world by these innumer- 

 able developments you refer to ? Isn't that true ? 



Dr. Lipp. I do, indeed. 



The Chairman. Do you envision this will make more difficult the 

 security of nations or less difficult ? 



Dr. Lipp. Do you mean in the sense of economic security or military 

 security ? 



The Chairman. Well, you can't have one without the other. 



Dr. Lipp. Improving the economics of many countries around the 

 world will tend to stabilize affairs so that there will be less tendency 

 toward military action. 



On the other hand, greater knowledge about the oceans will help 

 our own Navy in providing a defense for us. 



The Chairman. But the use of the ocean beds, further and further 

 out, will create a greater contention. 



Dr. Lipp. There will certainly be legal problems, but we faced those 

 before in fishing and so on, and have been able to solve them. 



The Chairman. It will require a greater need of international co- 

 operation within these tields. 



Dr. Lipp. Yes, sir. 



The Cn.Minrw. dr. Miller. 



Mr. Miller. Do; tor, you heard the earlier discussion about the dis- 

 posal of atomic waste at sea. 



Dr. Lire. Yes. 



Mr. Miller. Using the sea as a garbage pit, do you subscribe to 

 that? 



