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Ms. Claussen. There are no others and they all have some level 

 of activity, all 26. It varies. Some of it is very small, some of it is 

 quite significant. 



Mrs. MORELLA. Do you hear — this doesn't have to do with the bill 

 specifically — but are some of them having trouble with funding? Do 

 you hear about any of them going to withdraw or no one's coming 

 in? 



Could you give us just a little synopsis of that status? 



Ms. Claussen. I think some of them are having some funding 

 and I think there is some movement toward multilateral research. 

 One country, for example, is Belgium which once had a much big- 

 ger effort, is one of the countries with a claim. It now has a much 

 smaller effort, but it is working with other countries in sending its 

 scientists down there. 



So, yes, I think funding in different governments is in different 

 stages. 



But I think what you're going to see from that is not a with- 

 drawal of scientists but a sort of multilateralizing of the science ef- 

 fort. 



Mrs. Morella. At the South Pole where everybody was taking 

 snapshots in that cold weather, I met a man who took a photo- 

 graph of me who was from Chevy Chase, Maryland. I mean it's just 

 amazing that you'd go to the South Pole and there is somebody 

 who's a constituent. 



Well, again, as I say, I'm an advocate and I hope we'll move this 

 bill forward, and I thank you both for the work that you've done 

 on it. And thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Thank you. 



The Chairman. Mr. Gutknecht? 



Mr. Gutknecht. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Maybe this is a little off the beat, but we were talking here about 

 the ozone hole, and these may be the only experts who really who 

 can talk a little bit about it. 



Can you share some of your observations, either one of you? 



Dr. Lane. Well, Mr. Gutknecht, it is a special part of the globe 

 for the ozone hole. It is a now much studied phenomena. It varies 

 somewhat from year to year, but still shows quite clearly that 

 something attacks the ozone layer seriously in this region of the 

 globe. 



And that of course then removes the protective molecules that 

 keep ultraviolet radiation from coming through. Therefore, when 

 there's a hole, the ultraviolet 



Mr. Gutknecht. Up to that point, we all know all of that. Now 

 we'd like to know what you think about it. 



Dr. Lane. What do I think? Well, it's real as a scientific observa- 

 tion. It's happening, and so the question is, in my own mind, is 

 why is it happening. 



So what we're studying is not only that there's a hole there and 

 that it comes and goes seasonally but that we're trying to under- 

 stand the chemistry that lies behind the destruction of the ozone 

 molecule, and that's an active research effort. 



And so my own view is, the more we'll understand about the 

 chemistry, the more we will be able to make the necessary connec- 



