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had at the time when the O&C lands were first developed, of look- 

 ing at sustainable yields. 



We find it hard here, and I know you must, too, but have you 

 found any reason why the administration has found any statutory 

 authority into what we have witnessed through the period of the 

 last three or four years, when you question the administration on 

 the statutory authority of all of a sudden developing these pro- 

 grams? 



Ms. KUPILLAS. They have successfully done it, and so I think 

 they changed the regulation process. I guess the biggest concerns 

 that I have — I am not going to second-guess the administration, 

 but the biggest concern that I have is throughout Option 9 and the 

 record of decision, there is discussion about economic and social 

 stability of communities and how this is going to address it, and 

 I guess my big concern is that all of the analysis and interpretation 

 and the emphasis is spent on ecosystem management but very lit- 

 tle time and effort on the social and economic constraints that are 

 placed on our communities. 



Dr. Lee has really underlined this and I think that that is the 

 important issue to remember, that that is the message that we are 

 bringing here, is that we need to divert our attention a little bit 

 and spend as much time on the social and economic effects as we 

 have on the ecosystem effects. I guess that would be my concern, 

 that in this abrupt change that has happened, that we have not 

 adequately addressed this, and I think even though the court sys- 

 tem, the courts have not addressed the issue of what happens. 



The O&C Act mandates that we address community stability and 

 the sustained 3deld, and we know what that is. I think the courts 

 have not paid attention to that and I do not believe that the rules 

 and the standards and guidelines that we are using right now pay 

 attention to social and economic stability. So I guess that would be 

 my concern. 



Mr. Hansen. The time of the gentleman has expired. 



Mr. CoOLEY. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Hansen. The gentleman from Oregon, Mr. DeFazio. 



Mr. DeFazio. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I am not a member of 

 the committee, but I appreciate the Chairman yielding some time 

 to me. 



I just wanted to follow up on some of the issues raised by Ms. 

 Kupillas. I was reading ahead in the testimony and I see Mr. 

 Lyons, I do not think he is here yet, but he raised something, Sue, 

 and I am curious. The trouble you are having, and I am having the 

 same problem, ascertaining whether or not salvage can go forward 

 in these areas of extreme blowdown/snowdown and have directed 

 a letter to the regional forester and forest supervisors regarding 

 that. 



He says in here, with respect to timber management activity, 

 thinning and salvage activities are allowed in the reserves. What 

 are you hearing from people on the ground? If his statement, and 

 I hope to be here later when he testifies, is so definitive, I am curi- 

 ous as to what the confusion is. 



Ms. Kupillas. That is why I raised the issue, because in talking 

 with the forest supervisor and the Medford BLM manager, they are 

 thinking that it would be very restricted in the late successional re- 



