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bers. They are adding another tribal representative. Of that, two- 

 thirds are government agencies. At the first meeting, we decided 

 that we were going to make decisions by consensus. However, if we 

 had an inability to reach consensus, it would then go to 

 supermajority, which is a two-thirds majority, and the agencies 

 have a two-thirds majority. That has never been done, but that is 

 a possibility. 



The meetings are two days in length, usually. We travel all 

 around the region. I have yet to have left one of those meetings 

 without a splitting headache. It is difficult. It is hard. 



The good thing about the PAC is that it puts people together in 

 a room to sit down to talk that normally would not, even agency 

 people. The interesting thing in the beginning of these meetings in 

 May of 1995 was that many of these agency people that were sit- 

 ting down and talking did not normally cross the boundaries of 

 their agencies, so that part was interesting. But as far as any re- 

 sults corning out of it, there has been very little. Out of four rec- 

 ommendations, I believe one has been followed through. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. We are all looking forward to your influence 

 on that committee and see what you can pioneer out of it. 



Ms. Smith. Thank you. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Thank you, Joan. 



Mr. Olson, I want to thank you very much for being here. 



Mr. Olson. Thank you. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. I really deeply care for these loggers, very 

 deeply care for them. I have lived in logging communities. I love 

 those families. These are the guys that get up in the morning, get 

 dressed, have breakfast, get their lunch pail, kiss their wife and 

 children goodbye, and get to work on time and do their job and par- 

 ticipate in their communities and pay their taxes and they are a 

 special part of our heritage and culture. They are the forgotten 

 families. They are the forgotten men. While we set aside vast acre- 

 ages for other species, we are forgetting about this species, the 

 American logger, and Americans are still looking forward to living 

 in wood houses and enjoying the benefits and the byproducts of 

 wood products. 



Mr. Olson. You could join the force. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Yes. I agree with you and the loggers that you 

 represent because our forests are being destroyed because we are 

 not able to groom them and take care of them as we should. 



Vice President Gore said in 1993, a healthy forest economy de- 

 mands healthy forests. He understood that then, and the Presi- 

 dent's plan ensures both, is what he said. I really look forward to 

 the administration living up to their word to the people in the 

 Northwest and not just the loggers but all of our small commu- 

 nities. 



I want to ask you, Mr. Olson, what is your experience with re- 

 training workers as far as their ability to really ever be satisfied 

 with their jobs again? 



Mr. Olson. My plant that I work at, the plant that I am Presi- 

 dent of the local, over this last year, we have been hit by the 

 downsizing, is what the corporations call it, and most of the people 

 that have lost their job at my facility are going through the train- 

 ing now. They have either found other jobs or right now they are 



