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going through schooHng. So they have not gotten to that point yet, 

 to what is going to happen when they get out of school. Are they 

 going to be able to find a job, a job that pays as well as the one 

 that they just lost? They have not gotten to that point yet, so it 

 is still kind of going through the process. 



I have heard horror stories from other facilities, especially down 

 in Southern Oregon with a lot of the sawmills and that, where 

 these people, they basically — they go to school and when they get 

 out of school, there is no work to find. The next thing you know, 

 they have to go do something else. That is the horror stories. 



The people that I am associated with have not gotten to that 

 point yet. Hopefully, they will not. Hopefully, they will be all suc- 

 cessful. What helps, I live in Portland, and so they have more of 

 a metropolitan area to choose, whereas down like in Southern Or- 

 egon and Eastern Washington and places where there are not any 

 big cities, and that is where there is more opportunity. So my peo- 

 ple do have an advantage at my facility, and also Vancouver, 

 Washington, right across the river. 



Mr. Hansen. The time of the lady has expired. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Hansen. Mr. Kildee? 



Mr. Kildee. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. I thank the witnesses. 



I can relate to the problems you have out there and really have 

 empathy for them. I come from a district that has similar problems 

 with a different industry. Therefore, I really want to work with you 

 to see what we could do to find a remedy. I come from Flint, Michi- 

 gan, and Genesee County is the county in which Flint is located. 

 You may have heard of Flint with the movie "Roger and Me". It 

 is where I come from. We have gone through a terrible dislocation, 

 too, and that is why I want to work with you. As a matter of fact, 

 your brothers and sisters in the Carpenters Union have stayed in 

 regular contact with me on this issue and they certainly are very 

 supportive of your efforts. 



I can recall my city of Flint, when I was growing up, had almost 

 200,000 people in it and now it is down to about 140,000. General 

 Motors about 20 years ago employed 80,000 people and now we are 

 down to about 40,000 people. These were the good jobs. It has 

 caused great dislocation, great misery, and worse than that, great 

 fear of the future. 



Up to this point, in Flint and in your area out there, too, each 

 generation had hoped and expected that their children would have 

 it even better than they did, and now, for the first time, people are 

 beginning to wonder whether their children will have it as good as 

 they did, and that is a problem that government has to be sensitive 

 to. 



I do not know all the answers, but I think that we certainly have 

 to extend to you our willingness to work with you to find some so- 

 lutions for this human misery. My mother died two years ago at 

 age 94 and she could see what was happening there in Flint, that 

 again, things were changing. I, from government, opposed certain 

 things. I opposed even my own President on the North American 

 Free Trade Agreement because I could see jobs going down to Mex- 

 ico on that. Sometimes your government does make mistakes and 



