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the Forest Plan. But we did it, and things are working better than 

 we hoped. 



The fifth goal is to adhere to our nation's laws. In 1990, the BLM 

 was not meeting all applicable environmental laws. In December 

 1994, Judge Dwyer found that the Forest Plan met the require- 

 ments of not only the environmental laws but also laws addressing 

 the need for timber. Last month, Federal District Judge Thomas 

 Penfield Jackson of the District of Columbia ruled that he was de- 

 ferring to Judge Dwyer's ruling on the Forest Plan, and as you 

 know, Judge Dwyer has been upheld by the Ninth Circuit. Legally, 

 we are sound. 



In summary, then, three points. Before the Forest Plan, we had 

 gridlock. After the Forest Plan, we have a future for timber sales 

 in the Northwest. We are proud of that future, and of our success 

 in making it happen. Second, the BLM is meeting its targets for 

 timber volume, and then some. And third, we are very proud of 

 how well our people in the field have implemented the Forest Plan. 



Thank you for the opportunity to testify. I will be happy to an- 

 swer any questions. 



[The statement of Ms. Hayes may be found at end of hearing.] 



Mr. Hansen. Thank you. 



Mrs. Chenoweth? 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Lyons, I wanted you to know that I have gotten some reports 

 from Idaho that our lumbermen were very pleased with the in- 

 structive and informative meeting that Dr. Jack Ward Thomas had 

 with them out in Idaho. 



I wanted to refer to the graphs that are up there. Dr. Thomas, 

 could you show me what percent of the 800 million board feet that 

 you have lined out there for 1997, 1996, 1995, what percent is saw 

 logs and what percent is pulp wood? 



Mr. Thomas. I could. I have it with me. It will take me a minute 

 to find it. 



Mr. TUCHMANN. If I may, the Forest Service does not report ac- 

 tual saw log/pulp wood/firewood volume in terms of target commit- 

 ments, but what we did do, given concerns by this committee and 

 others, is estimated that for 1995, and our estimate is that 77 per- 

 cent was saw logs, 14 percent was for poles, and the remainder was 

 noncommercial volume. 



Mrs. Chenoweth. Actually, what we have seen, although Presi- 

 dent Clinton promised a total of 1.053 billion board feet, saw logs 

 being at 0.948 billion board feet and pulp wood at 0.105 billion 

 board feet, we have not seen that, according to what our figures 

 are. What we saw in 1994 were 0.187 billion board feet of saw logs, 

 and then in 1995, 0.336 billion board feet of saw logs. So we are 

 falling way under what is the normal industry standard and what 

 the President had promised. Do you have any comment on that? 



Mr. Lyons. Yes, Mrs. Chenoweth. I know that there was a report 

 that was prepared, at least, we have obtained a copy of it, that al- 

 leges that we have fallen short of our goals. Mr. Tuchmann, who 

 is in Portland working for the Secretary monitoring these things, 

 I think, is in a position to respond to the specific points raised in 

 that report and, I think, could explain the differences that exist. So 



