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to Jack to help the field better understand how to proceed under 

 the emergency provisions. 



Mr. Hansen. In your opinion, this actually compliments the law 

 and does not in any way change the law? 



Mr. Lyons. It is not inconsistent at all with the law, Mr. Chair- 

 man. 



Mr. Hansen. It was not intended to do that? 



Mr. Lyons. No, sir. 



Mr. Hansen. Your chart, Mr. Lyons, and I was not here, and I 

 apologize to you, identified the timber sale volume offered. How 

 much of that volume was actually sold? 



Mr. Lyons. I would have to get that information for you, Mr. 

 Chairman. Of course, you understand that 



Mr. Hansen. Can you give us a rough estimate of the offer and 

 what was sold? 



Mr. Lyons. If you give me a couple of seconds, we will generate 

 that, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Hansen. While we are looking for that statistic, let me give 

 you another one. How much of the volume is saw log volume and 

 how much is other wood, pulp, fuel wood, et cetera? 



Mr. Lyons. Actually, we just presented some of that information 

 to Mrs. Chenoweth with regard to the percentages. Tom can go 

 over it again, if you like. 



Mr. Hansen. I do not mean to try and pin you down. I am not 

 trying to do that. 



Mr. Lyons. No. 



Mr. Hansen. I just really, honestly want to know the answer to 

 this. The President's plan establishes a probable sale quantity of 

 1.053 billion board feet with 90 percent saw timber and ten percent 

 other wood. That is what he came up with. Was that not his idea? 



Mr. Lyons. Why do I not let Mr. Tuchmann address that, since 

 he just went over the numbers? 



Mr. Hansen. Mr. Tuchmann, we will turn to you, sir. 



Mr. Tuchmann. Again, Mr. Chairman, what we committed to 

 was that volume in "chargeable volume", which includes saw tim- 

 ber and other commercial species. Our estimates are that 77 per- 

 cent of the volume you see on that graph was saw timber, 14 per- 

 cent was poles and other commercial products of that type, and 

 that the remainder was noncommercial volume. 



Mr. Hansen. So it has not come too close, then, when he said 90 

 percent would be saw timber. 



Mr. Tuchmann. No, we never said that 90 percent would be saw 

 timber. 



Mr. Hansen. No, the President did. 



Mr. Tuchmann. I am not aware of that. 



Mr. Hansen. Is that right? Maybe I have wrong information 

 here. 



Mr. Lyons. Mr. Chairman, if I could make a point here? 



Mr. Hansen. Sure. 



Mr. Lyons. I am going to have to follow up with the information 

 on actually how much was sold, but I want to make a point. There 

 is always this distinction between sold and harvested and I think 

 what essential is all we can do in the Forest Service, BLM, is offer 

 timber for sale, hopefully, sales that are economically viable. So we 



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