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Mr. Vento. So we do not have 318 in there. We do not have sal- 

 vage rider material in there. So I just think it is important that 

 we understand what is going on. We keep jumping back and forth 

 between these two, and I do not know, maybe somebody else has 

 it very straight in their minds, but it is not in mind. So I just 

 think, for the record, it might be that you want to do a full report- 

 ing on that if it is possible today, right now. It is not, I guess. 



On the salvage sales, you also have offered and prepared more 

 salvage sales than have been purchased, too, is that correct? Can 

 you give me any type of idea for Region 6, since we seem to be talk- 

 ing about Region 6, what is offered and what is purchased? I might 

 add that it is my understanding that you do not offer salvage that 

 is not economic. You try to actually put these together to make 

 them somewhat attractive and obtain all the goals that you have. 



Mr. Lyons. Let me address the first question first. In terms of 

 salvage offer for Region 6 in the Pacific Northwest, in 1995, our of- 

 fered volume for salvage was 539 million board feet, which was ac- 

 tually 118 percent of what we had planned. In 1996, our offer for 

 Region 6 thus far is 195 million, although we have 491 million pro- 

 jected. These are accomplishments through June 30, so the last 

 quarter is when the bulk of the salvage is to be offered. 



Mr. Vento. So there is 419 projected, you said, for this year? 



Mr. Lyons. Four-hundred-and-ninety-one. 



Mr. Vento. Ninety-one. In 1995, how much was purchased in Re- 

 gion 6 of salvage? 



Mr. Lyons. Excuse me? I am sorry, Mr. Vento. 



Mr. Vento. How much was sold in 1995? 



Mr. Lyons. I do not have that. 



Mr. Vento. Was it all sold? 



Mr. Lyons. No, I do not believe it was. We have had problems 

 in having some sales sold. 



Mr. Vento. Can you give us any type of characterization? Was 

 there a significant portion that was not sold? I mean, we obviously 

 need numbers because we are trying to operate on facts here. 



Mr. Lyons. I am told that about 50 to 60 million board feet was 

 not sold this past year. 



Mr. Vento. So you think that that is going to continue? In other 

 words, have there been larger problems? Region 6, of course, is 

 really the high-grade. In terms of the forests nationwide, it is really 

 the high-grade type of timber. 



Mr. Lyons. The interest in purchase, obviously, is a function of— 

 stumpage price is a function of the quality of the timber and a 

 number of factors. Stumpage prices declined precipitously between 

 the time that the Recision Act was passed and the salvage rider 

 was put into effect and where we are now. 



Mr. Vento. I know there are other economic factors, Mr. Sec- 

 retary, that affect it, but I do not think that it affects the fact that 

 Region 6 tends to be a very high grade timber, whether it is sal- 

 vage or non-salvage. I mean, those are still the Douglas firs and 

 cedars and other types of timber. I mean, we just do not have that 

 in Minnesota. There is not quite as much interest in aspen. 



Mr. Lyons. Of course, most of the salvage in Region 6 comes 

 from the east side, Mr. Vento, so while we have high quality 

 softwoods west of the Cascades and certainly have some highly val- 



