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country, in colleges and universities all across the country, in drug 

 and pharmaceutical companies all across the country. 



And Congress said, oh, why don't we coordinate all this? And we 

 created the NIH. 



I think, as Mr. Weldon and Mr, Kennedy and Mr. Gilchrist do, 

 and perhaps others who are here as well, that it is high time that 

 we recognize that science has the same application to the environ- 

 ment, that science has the same application to ocean policy as it 

 does to health policy. And it ought to be our business to help create 

 that partnership. 



So these are two of the efforts that I've been involved in, in fact, 

 leading, and I would love to have your comments in your own due 

 course to get back to us on them. 



Thank you. And if any of you want to comment on these issues, 

 feel free. 



Mr. Weldon. Anyone like to respond? We would certainly want 

 you to respond for the record. But does anyone want to respond 

 now? 



[No response.] 



Thank you, Mr. Saxton. We'll move along to — and I'm going in 

 the order of arrival. Don't blame me for the order. This is staff, 

 when you have to mix three subcommittees. 



So the order I have here is Roemer, Gilchrist, Bateman, Ken- 

 nedy, Johnson, Meehan, Taylor, Minge, Ehlers, Farr, Foley, Tan- 

 ner, Cobin, Longley, and Olver. 



So if I've missed someone, let me know, if we don't have every- 

 one. 



So, Tim? 



Mr. Roemer. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. And I'll begin by telling 

 you I'm going to even begin to try to compete with Mr. Saxton or 

 Mr. Rohrabacher for scuba diving or fishing or surfing awards, 

 being from Indiana, where we don't have a lot of coastline. 



[Laughter.] 



But as Admiral Boorda knows, being from South Bend, Indiana, 

 we play a mean game of football in the water and the snow. So we 

 do have some credentials here. 



[Laughter.] 



And seriously 



Admiral Boorda. If I can interrupt. 



Mr. Roemer. Sure, Admiral. 



Admiral BoORDA. You do have one guy from South Bend who's 

 got a lot of ocean and who's a sailor, also. So we may be able to 

 beat him if we join forces. 



[Laughter.] 



Mr. Roemer. Yes. I like having you on my side, I've got to tell 

 you, 



[Laughter.] 



It has been a very enlightening hearing for me, with the exper- 

 tise from this panel of distinguished witnesses. We have certainly 

 heard with a great deal of unanimity that the oceans are critically 

 important. 



There is not the same kind of unanimity up here. I don't believe 

 that this kind of important research can sustain or be sustained, 



