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stress has to be on the critical nature of the value of the oceans 

 to the quality of life. 



We just don't want to survive as human beings on the planet. We 

 want to have some sense of living. 



And Dr. Ballard made a comment about it's great to go into 

 space, and I think we should continue to go into space. But we on 

 the earth, even with the oceans, to a large degree, have no more 

 frontiers. We can't expand into what Lewis and Clark explored. 

 Our last frontier is our intellectual battle to survive. 



I don't mean to go into — I apologize for this platform here. 



[Laughter.] 



So I think it's critical for us to maybe continue to correspond on 

 a regular basis with each of you so that the next time we do this, 

 if we're all here next year, or whoever is here, that we can get this 

 thing so prepared and have some sense of depth of the dimension 

 of the problem that we're talking about so this place will not only 

 be filled with your staff, but it will be filled with people wanting 

 to know more about what the problem is. 



And we have to create, it seems to me, an entity that can focus 

 on that. If it's too watered down — you know, the reality of the guy, 

 the county commissioner or the mayor or the planning and zoning 

 fellow is that there's a lot of them. They don't quite get the infor- 

 mation. They have a lot of problems. The/re focusing on taxes. 

 They're focusing on snow removal. They're focusing on sewage. 

 They're focusing on their bad marriage. All these thJngs. 



We've got to focus. We have to have some entity, it seems to me, 

 in Congress that can on a regular basis — and these hearings in 

 these other areas need to take place. But the reality of this place, 

 unless there's a powerful focus that can shake loose some of the 

 dust, not much happens. 



And I apologize, Mr. Chairman, for that. I'll have to send my 

 questions to these gentlemen. 



[Laughter.] 



Mr. Weldon. No, your points are well made, and that's the basic 

 problem we're trying to deal with, is bringing it together to provide 

 that new focus. And I think it's up to each of us to make it happen. 



You've got assembled here an historic panel that I don't know 

 has ever been assembled before, at least in recent times. Now it's 

 up to us to play our role in the Congress. 



I look around the Science Committee room here, which I'm a 

 member of. I don't see anj^hing relative to the oceans. I see a lot 

 of outer space models and things about what we're doing in outer 

 space. I don't see anything talking about — I don't see a model of 

 our undersea activity. 



It's our own I think effort that we've got to try to change in the 

 Congress. 



So I think looking for answers outside of the Congress is part of 

 the problem. But I think looking within the Congress is the major 

 problem. 



If we get together and push this issue, we can make it happen. 

 We've done that in a number of issues. With people like you and 

 the other members here, I'm optimistic that we'll be successful. 



Did you want to respond, anyone, to Mr. Gilchrist's comments? 



Dr. Frosh, and then Dr. Alberts. 



