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thing that makes people wonder if we still have a free country any- 

 more, and it makes people — this is an example of the very type of 

 thing that causes so many people across this country to be so angry 

 and fed up with all of the rules and the regulations and the red 

 tape and the bureaucracy of the Federal Government. I think this 

 whole thing is ridiculous, and we ought to have this law changed, 

 and I just wanted to make those comments before Congressman 

 Schulze leaves. 



Mr. Schulze. Thank you. 



The Chairman. Thank you, Richard. 



Anybody else? The gentleman from Maryland. 



Mr. GiLCHREST. Mr. Schulze, I would like to talk to you further 

 on your proposal, and in general, it seems to me that at least in 

 my area, when you have people — and I personally do not like the 

 sign thing; that is a whole other dimension that is often misinter- 

 preted; often, the wrong sign is put up; often, it creates more prob- 

 lems than it solves. 



The key to this, at least in my area, is that people get together, 

 and they discuss the issue. Whether you are a farmer or whether 

 you are a hunting guide, and the conservation officer in that area, 

 if he is doing his job, if he wakes up at all during the day is going 

 to know who the potential offenders of this are going to be. And 

 so, if they can communicate this issue about whether the combine 

 did not work too good — and a lot of them do not work very well; 

 they spit that corn out there, or whether someone did feed the 

 geese on a particular area. But I think the key to the success of 

 this law and any legislation that comes out of here is to give us 

 an opportunity for people to communicate with each other on a 

 basis not out of intimidation but out of how we can consult with 

 each other to make a better product. 



Mr. Schulze. I agree with the gentleman from Maryland, that 

 oftentimes, this takes the form of somewhat of a game of we are 

 going to get these guys, or we are going to try to avoid being 

 caught. And we should take that out of it. It ought to be a serious 

 operation and should be done in a common sense way. 



The Chairman. I thank the gentleman. 



Richard? 



Mr. Schulze. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



The Chairman. The next list, finally, after an hour of time is the 

 second panel. Senator Charles Williams — the famous Charles Wil- 

 liams — from the State of Florida; Sheriff Stephen Oelrich, from 

 Alachua County, Gainesville, Florida; Mr. William Boe, Chapter 

 Advisor, Alpha Gamma Rho Fraternity, University of Florida, 

 Gainesville, Florida; Mr. John Pelham, Florida Power Corporation, 

 Crystal River, Florida; Mr. Chadwell Bruce demons, University of 

 Florida, High Springs, Florida. Gentlemen, you all take your seats. 

 And I am a little lenient but not too lenient. We will take all your 

 written testimony and submit it for the record. Try to limit your 

 comments to 5 minutes apiece. 



We will start out with the Senator. Welcome, Senator, to the 

 hearing. 



