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Mr. Miller. Right. 



Mr. Oelrich. And in other words, if we set up- 



Mr. Miller. But you neither have to have knowledge nor intent. 



Mr. Oelrich. No, you do not need to have knowledge or intent. 



Mr. Miller. Right. 



Mr. Oelrich. But this situation would be, if you are going to use 

 a traffic one, is us setting up and grabbing people going 15 miles 

 an hour near a school, and us telling them you should know that 

 3 blocks down the street back behind these trees is a school. That 

 would be a better analogy. 



Mr. Miller. Well, but whatever the analogy is, you would have 

 a right to do that too, because the law is you cannot go 



Mr. Oelrich. No, you do not; no, you do not. It is posted. 



Mr. Miller, [continuing] — a certain speed because it is a school 

 zone. 



Mr. Oelrich. No, there are certain regulations about putting 



Mr. Miller. But those people neither require intent or knowl- 

 edge. 



Mr. Oelrich. It would be posted speed limits. 



Mr. Miller. I understand it would be posted. So, you impute the 

 knowledge to them — as we do in many laws. I am not talking about 

 you; we do this in many laws. We impute strict liability. It runs 

 throughout our legal system. We impute knowledge to many indi- 

 viduals. 



Mr. Oelrich. OK. 



Mr. Miller. Well, we will go into this in the second round, Mr. 

 Chairman. 



The Chairman. I still do not know what the speed limit has to 

 do with baiting a field. 



Mr. Miller. I do not know what the lack of knowledge has to 

 do with it when the law is strict. 



The Chairman. Mr. Boe, there appear to be some contradicting 

 statements in the written testimony that has been submitted. Did 

 you request the Federal agent taking your license and oral state- 

 ment to show you the bait? 



Mr. BoE. Yes, sir, I did. I was in a field. I drove in in a car with 

 Mr. Pelham and members of his company. We drove through the 

 Sanchez field to the far end of the property; parked; walked about 

 50 feet down a dirt road. I saw no sign of grain there. And I am 

 a native of Pahokee, Florida, where Mel Tillis is from. That is as 

 rural as you can get. And I did not see any grain there. I walked 

 out into the field next to some bushes; hunted for 2 hours; shot five 

 birds; found four; and I had to hunt very hard to find the birds I 

 shot. It was not a flat, clear ground area. And I saw absolutely no 

 grain of an unusual nature piled up by tonnage, as described in 

 some statements. 



I saw agents drive up in an unmarked car; get out with a camou- 

 flage-type attire on, which is unusual. We were expecting Florida 

 Game and Fish to inspect us, and we were told basically that you 

 better be legal and you better be safe out there, because this is a 

 scrutinized event. And when I hunt, I am both legal and safe. And 

 I left my concealed spot in the field; walked over to where these 

 people were obviously checking licenses. I said I have been hunting 

 in this field; I have got four birds; here is my license. They identi- 



