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I probably have not done enough with it; I should do more of it. 

 Some people suggest I ought to do it full-time, as a matter of fact. 



I understand that you are very concerned, especially given the 

 background and circumstances here, but when I pick up my hunt- 

 ing license, they give me out one of these brochures in Minnesota — 

 or a fishing license, for that matter — and it has a lot of different 

 regulations in there. You cannot take muskies over a certain size 

 or below a certain size as an example. I know there is a lake right 

 next to my place where we can fish and catch muskies. They have 

 some signs posted there letting you know you cannot do it. It is 

 public property, so they can do that. But you have a lot of different 

 details in there about different parts of our State, and it talks 

 about what you can do in terms of fishing and hunting, how you 

 have to go about it. Do you all receive a brochure like that in Flor- 

 ida? 



Mr. Williams. Yes. 



Mr. Vento. Does it deal with baiting? Do any of you know? 



Mr. WiLLLAJVls. Yes, sir; there is a pamphlet put out by the Game 

 and Freshwater Fish Commission, and, by the way, in your mate- 

 rials there, you have some recommendations that I presented to 

 you that were prepared by the Florida Game Commission. 



Mr. Vento. Are they consistent with the Federal law? Are they 

 consistent with this? 



Mr. Williams. Well, that is part of the problem. And I have tried 

 to avoid creating a controversial situation here between the Florida 

 Game and Freshwater Commission and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife 

 Service. But I can tell you that there has been a difference of opin- 

 ion over what should be done relative to the migratory bird laws. 



Mr. Vento. Well, it is a broad topic, and they may not be rel- 

 ative — the differences may not be relative with regard to this issue. 

 If they are, I guess that would be a further case for a court action, 

 for a court to decide whether or not they are material, in fact, to 

 this issue. I mean, I am not a lawyer; I am a scientist. So, I do 

 not know anything about this. 



Mr. Williams. Yes, sir. 



Mr. Vento. All I know is that if you want to pursue that, that 

 is where you have to do it. For us to just — pardon me? 



The Chairman. Hire a lawyer? $1,000 just to hire a lawyer? 



Mr. Vento. But the issue is one of relative importance here with 

 regard to what is going on. I mean, in terms of changing, these 

 laws are not new laws. These regulations have been around for 60 

 years. I do not know how long it has been that it has been inte- 

 grated into the treaty type of issue. Pardon me, Mr. Chairman. It 

 is a treaty now. But they have been around for 60 years. 



Mr. Williams. Yes, sir; and it is just the first time that most of 

 us had ever encountered such a situation, and we have hunted all 

 of our lives, you know. And I do not know why that field was sin- 

 gled out that day. It was publicized — the hunt was publicized. One 

 of the newspapers accused me of using that for my kickoff cam- 

 paign for Congress. And I came to my sense, by the way, and de- 

 cided not to do that, Congressman. 



[Laughter.] 



Mr. Vento. I am sure that you would have done well here help- 

 ing us solve these sorts of problems. But I think whatever the rules 



