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almost 23 years. I have investigated literally hundreds of baited 

 dove fields. This was one of the worst and most effective baiting op- 

 erations that I have witnessed. There was a large field with 200 

 and some-odd acres, well over 150 fields, and it has been my expe- 

 rience when you enter those type fields and people run from them, 

 that those people have a good idea of what happened. 



Thank you, Mr. Chairman. 



The Chairman. I thank you. 



Can I ask a question of Mr. Streeter? It is my understanding 

 that former Kentucky Governor Julian Carroll was cited last year 

 by the Fish and Wildlife Service for hunting doves over bait on his 

 Kentucky farm. The U.S. attorney took 4 days to state the Federal 

 case; Governor Carroll's defense took 20 minutes, and the judge 

 took 5 minutes to acquit Governor Carroll; is that correct? 



Mr. Streeter. Mr. Chairman, I am not aware of that case. I 

 would like to ask Special Agent 



The Chairman. And it is also correct that the Federal Govern- 

 ment wants to appeal this case? 



Mr. Halcomb. No, sir; I was present at that trial. The trial did 

 go on for 4 days. The Government took approximately two to two 

 and a half days to put on the evidence, and then, Mr. Carroll pre- 

 sented evidence. The difference between the Dixie County case and 

 the Julian Carroll case is the Dixie County case was just a gross 

 application of seeds or grains to an area with no agricultural pur- 

 pose or intent whatsoever. The Julian Carroll case did have two 

 areas with a prepared seed bed, and there were some seeds spread 

 on part of that field, and there were dove decoys placed in the area 

 on those prepared seed beds that the bait was located. And to my 

 knowledge, no, they are not planning to appeal it; he was found not 

 guilty. 



The Chairman. Now, you know, this hearing is supposed to be 

 about changing the law. Now I really, again, with all due respects 

 to Mr. Oliveros, I have to understand it. You are the first person 

 who had any idea that this hunt was going to take place? It had 

 never taken place prior to this year? 



Mr. Oliveros. No; it was in the newspaper. 



The Chairman. Yes, had it been taking place a year before that? 



Senator, have you put this on before? 



Mr. Williams. Once before. 



The Chairman. Once before? So, it is not a new thing. I am just 

 curious about — you know, you saw it in the newspaper. It should 

 be publicly displayed. But the argument here is what is baited and 

 what is not baited. You are saying it is baited; the people said it 

 was not baited. We can argue those points all you want. 



I want to change the law. Now, even Mr. Morehouse, who works 

 for you, Mr. Streeter, or works for the Department, says that the 

 language of the regulations is not consistently clear. Would you 

 agree with that? 



Mr. Streeter. No, sir, I would not agree with that. I believe the 

 language is quite clear. 



The Chairman. Well, wait a minute; you think this is clear, 

 then? "By aid of baiting or otherwise baited. Baiting shall mean the 

 placing or exposing, depositing, distributing or scattering of 

 shelled, shucked or unshucked corn, wheat or other grains," et 



