Mr. Brewster. You can hunt in Florida over baited fields for 

 some species but just not for migratory birds, nor can you in Cali- 

 fornia. But I would like to invite the gentleman from California to 

 go dove hunting with me this fall, and we walk out in a field, and 

 I want you to determine whether it has been baited or not just as 

 a person who happens to be invited along to hunt. And I know you 

 would not go into a field that was baited; neither would I. But if 

 we go into a field of, say, 160 acres that is under one fence that 

 appears to have normal farming practices, I would like to know 

 how you can determine whether it has been baited. 



Mr. Miller. Well, let me just respond to the gentleman that I 

 think we will see later that the bait here had nothing to do with 

 the appearance of normal farming practices. Do you know what I 

 am saying? 



Mr. Brewster. As I said, I do not know about this 



Mr. Miller. So, this is not the best case for the problem that you 

 and the Chairman probably rightfully have about some of the am- 

 biguity. But this case did not get there with normal farming prac- 

 tices or even anything close to it. 



Mr. Brewster. Mr. Miller, I do not know about this case. 



Mr. Miller. Yes, I understand. 



Mr. Brewster. I do not pretend to know about this particular 

 case. I do know that it would be very difficult for you as a dove 

 hunter to walk into a field of maybe 2 miles square, maybe 2,400 

 acres under one fence or whether it is 100 acres and determine if 

 it has been baited. 



The Chairman. You can be arrested. 



Mr. Brewster. Because it is ambiguous, and there are no size 

 constraints is the difficult part. 



Mr. Miller. We are having a debate up here; excuse me. What 

 were you saying? 



Mr. Brewster. I know. You all are not either one listening to 

 me, so I do not even know if I should be talking. 



The Chairman. All right; we have got to go vote, and I apologize 

 to the witnesses, but this is part of this program. We will go vote; 

 we will be back here approximately — we will reconvene at 15 min- 

 utes to 12:00. 



[Recess.] 



The Chairman. The Committee will reconvene. I would like to 

 thank the Honorable Richard Schulze for being so patient, and as 

 a former member, he understands this process of voting. So, I do 

 thank you for being here, Dick, and you are on. You can give your 

 testimony at this time. 



STATEMENT OF HON. RICHARD T. SCHULZE, A FORMER 

 MEMBER OF CONGRESS 



Mr. Schulze. Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and it is obvious that 

 this hearing was needed, evidenced by the emotional testimony so 

 far. 



Mr. Chairman, I ask that my entire testimony be put into the 

 record, and I am going to basically synopsize that which I am going 

 to present. 



The Chairman. Without objection. 



