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Mr. Oliveros. They notified me. In other words, we had agents 

 coming from several places. 



The Chairman. But you knew it the night before, did you not? 



Mr. Oliveros. The night before, yes. 



The Chairman. And when did you notify the agents that you 

 were going to make this baited field raid? 



Mr. Oliveros. We started calling that night. 



The Chairman. And how soon did they respond? I mean, when 

 did you know you would have 12 people? 



Mr. Oliveros. We did not know that until they arrived on the 

 field. 



The Chairman. They did not tell you? 



Mr. Oliveros. No, what we did was we only had actually four 

 law enforcement agents, but we have a refuge division, and they 

 have refuge officers. And we called the refuges and asked for any 

 officers that were available that day to please meet us at the area. 

 So, for many of those refuges, we did not know how many of those 

 officers would be responding. 



The Chairman. All right; I am going to get back to that now. 



Mr. Oliveros. OK. 



The Chairman. When did they arrive? 



Mr. Oliveros. They arrived at various times. 



The Chairman. When did the first one arrive? 



Mr. Oliveros. I imagine the first one arrived probably about 

 10:00 in the morning. 



The Chairman. When did you have 10 people? 



Mr. Oliveros. I do not know that, because I was on the edge of 

 the field. 



The Chairman. Well, again, my real concern here, if, in fact 

 these pictures are true, if they are, I certainly — if you wanted to 

 save the birds — would have acted a lot sooner. How many people 

 really objected to this interference? 



Mr. Oliveros. Pardon me? 



The Chairman. How many objected to your interference? 



Mr. Oliveros. Objected? 



The Chairman. Yes. 



Mr. Oliveros. What do you mean by that? 



The Chairman. Said what are you doing here or get the hell out 

 of here or do not bother me? 



Mr. Oliveros. I would say about seven or eight people. 



The Chairman. I understand there were four; is that correct? 



Mr. Oliveros. Well, there were only four involved in the assault. 



The Chairman. And what was the assault? Was there any strik- 

 ing of body blows? 



Mr. Oliveros. Yes; I had one person strike me. 



The Chairman. One person strike you individually. 



Mr. Oliveros. Right. 



The Chairman. Out of the four, though, one person. 



Mr. Oliveros. One person struck me; the other ones grabbed. 



The Chairman. Did you charge him with assault? 



Mr. Oliveros. No. 



The Chairman. You did not? 



Well, with all due respect to the officer again, I have some real 

 problems with not acting sooner if this field was baited as you have 



