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Mr. Oliveros. That, I do not know. 



Mr. Hansen. Why did you not stop it after the first shot was 

 fired? 



Mr. Oliveros. Well, again, it was a situation where we had well 

 over 100 guns out there. There was a considerable amount of 

 drinking going on. I was alone at the time, and I was waiting for 

 other officers to arrive so that I would be in a much safer position 

 when I entered that field. 



Mr. Hansen. How long had you planned this operation? 



Mr. Oliveros. Well, I found the field the evening before, just be- 

 fore dark. I entered the field after dark and documented a large 

 portion of it. I then began calling any available officers in the area. 



Mr. Hansen. So, you knew it the night before, before the hunt, 

 is that right? 



Mr. Oliveros. It was the night before, yes, sir. 



Mr. Hansen. And then, you got other officers; you waited until 

 they got there, and then, you started making arrests; is that cor- 

 rect? 



Mr. Oliveros. Well, we did not arrest anybody on the field. All 

 we did is contact 



Mr. Hansen. Well, issued citations; excuse me. 



Mr. Oliveros. Right; that is correct. 



Mr. Hansen. The Senator pointed out that there were some le- 

 gitimate citations: people did not have their guns plugged, their 

 automatics or pumps, and that somebody shot over their limit. How 

 many of those did you find? May I ask? 



Mr. Oliveros. Of the people that we charged? I know of three 

 unplugged guns, two overlimits, a couple of license cases, and there 

 were numerous other types of violations that we just did not have 

 enough evidence to tie it to a particular individual. 



Mr. Hansen. Was there any State — I do not know what you call 

 them down there — fish and wildlife people? 



Mr. Oliveros. With us? 



Mr. Hansen. Yes. 



Mr. Oliveros. With the officers? No, there was one hunting on 

 the field, but there were no officers there. 



Mr. Hansen. Oh, I see. My time is up. 



Mr. Miller? 



Mr. Miller. Mr. Chairman, if we go back to this, I find it inter- 

 esting when we hear so much sometimes from my colleagues on the 

 other side of the aisle about everybody in America thinks they are 

 a victim that now, we have people who, according to these photo- 

 graphs and according to a judge in a court of law, this field was 

 knowingly, openly and readily acknowledgeable as being a baited 

 field. And some people, apparently aware that they had an obliga- 

 tion as hunters, went out onto the field and checked it out and 

 then decided that it was not baited. And then, they went out and 

 hunted, and their friends went out and hunted. 



I guess these are the same photographs that were put into court. 

 And now, all of a sudden, you are on trial. You are on trial because 

 you did not go out there when there were one, two or three of you 

 to stop a hunt where later, in the process of stopping it with, I 

 think, 12 enforcement agents, people were cited for assault and, I 

 think, found guilty of assault. People were drinking. This was after 



