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son who says yes if you will give me a dime for every person who 

 says no, and you will go broke, and I will be a rich man. 



That means we are doing something wrong somewhere with 

 these agencies. And where we are interfacing — ^you had better learn 

 a lesson here. You are not God. The people will respond. And when 

 you lose that trust relationship, there is something that will hap- 

 pen in this country that is not good for anyone. And we see it in 

 the Forest Service. We are saving the spotted owls and losing thou- 

 sands of jobs. We save 6 percent of the timber in the Northwestern 

 area of the United States for habitat for the spotted owl. Guess 

 what? Do you know how much we have got left now? Two percent. 

 What happened to 4 percent? It fell down. 



Now, when the rest of the 2 percent falls down, where are those 

 little spotted owls going to go? They are going to nest in the new 

 trees. So, what have the agencies done? They have made the people 

 of the Northwest very upset. 



So, I just hope that those: Mr. Streeter, Mr. Oliveros, the rest of 

 you in this room understand. You are not isolated. You are not God 

 unto itself Only the people who support you will make you active 

 and be a good, sound agency. If you are isolated by yourselves, you 

 are nothing, and you will be eliminated. 



I want to thank you. Senator, for being here. 



Mr. Williams. Thank you, sir. 



The Chairman. Yes. 



Mr. WlLLLAJMS. If I might just add that I have always believed 

 in government and that the people ultimately get what they want, 

 and I believe that that is happening in our country today. And just 

 for the record, I would like to state that it was not a paid hunt. 

 No one paid to come to that charity hunt, sir. 



Thank you. 



The Chairman. The next panel: Mr. Cooper, Mr. Manning, Mr. 

 Taylor, Mr. Horn and Mr. Inkley. We have an assorted group of in- 

 dividuals with many differences of opinions. I want to thank you, 

 the witnesses, for hanging around this long. Hopefully, we can pass 

 some revisions of this law where we will not have to have you back 

 again. 



Mr. Manning from Illinois, the Illinois Department of Natural 

 Resources, Director of Mr. Manning, there you are. 



STATEMENT OF BRENT MANNING, DIRECTOR, ILLINOIS DE- 

 PARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES, SPRINGFIELD, ILLI- 

 NOIS 



Mr. Manning. Yes, sir, Mr. Chairman. Thank you very much for 

 the opportunity to be here. I am Brent Manning, director of the Illi- 

 nois Department of Natural Resources, and I appreciate the invita- 

 tion to testify today on behalf of the department and on behalf of 

 Illinois waterfowl hunters. 



Larry Closson, my chief of law enforcement, was with me and co- 

 authored this paper; however, he had to return to Illinois for other 

 business. Jeffrey Ver Steeg, my chief of wildlife, is here with me, 

 and I would ask that you please commit my written testimony to 

 your records, and I will try to provide a very short verbal synopsis. 



I commend the members of this Committee for their interest in 

 the waterfowl resource on this continent and for their interest, in 



