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Ms. Chenoweth. Mr. Chairman, I just wanted to say for the 

 record that I feel that this testimony that we have heard from the 

 last panel is very instructive, and I really appreciate your com- 

 ments. I do want to say that I think that out of this little soiree 

 that occurred down there in Florida, if my math is right, the Fish 

 and Wildlife Service earned a total amount of fees of about $22,000. 

 And that also needs to be addressed, I believe, Mr. Chairman. I do 

 not think anybody should have to pay a fine — oh, at $500, it would 

 be $44,000. They were fined $500 each, was it? 



Mr. Oelrich. It varied. 



Ms. Chenoweth. Oh, OK. Well, if they were fined on an average 

 of $250, they made out with about $22,000. So, I hope that we can 

 also look at that as we look at this baiting issue. I thank you, Mr. 

 Chairman. 



The Chairman. I thank you, and I want to thank the panel. With 

 unanimous consent, I ask that Mr. Cooper, Secretary, Department 

 of Fish and Game in the State of South Dakota, that his testimony 

 be submitted for the record. 



Gentlemen, I do thank you, and I am serious about do not take 

 too long. Get that group going; submit it to the Fish and Wildlife 

 Service as quick as possible, and then, submit it to this Committee. 

 Because I have found out in this business that the only way you 

 are ever going to make this agency do anything right is to rag on 

 them. And I am not talking about just this administration. All the 

 way through, they have got this mindset about they know what is 

 best for everything instead of working with the people, and that 

 bothers me a great deal. So, get it done as soon as possible. 



I do thank you for being before us today. 



[The statement of Mr. Cooper may be found at end of hearing.] 



The Chairman. The last panel — and I do apologize for the late- 

 ness of it, as you can see. Do not run off on me yet, Ms. 

 Chenoweth. 



Mr. George Reiger, editor of Field and Stream, Locustville, Vir- 

 ginia and Mr. Steve Boynton, vice president and general counsel, 

 Henke and Associates, Vienna, Virginia. Steve, is it Henke or 

 Hecht? 



Mr. Boynton. Henke. 



The Chairman. Henke. 



Mr. Boynton. Yes, sir; thank you. 



The Chairman. And I do thank you, gentlemen. It has been a 

 long day for you, and I do apologize for that and for the interrup- 

 tion by the votes. But this is part of this animal that we are deal- 

 ing with right now. And as you can see, I myself and the great lady 

 from Idaho are still here, and we will be listening attentively, and 

 if you would like to proceed, George, you are perfectly welcome. 

 And I read your magazine every month. 



STATEMENT OF GEORGE REIGER, CONSERVATION EDITOR, 

 FIELD AND STREAM, LOCUSTVILLE, VIRGINIA 



Mr. Reiger. Thank you, sir. 



My name is George Reiger. For 22 years, I have been the con- 

 servation editor oi Field and Stream, a magazine read by between 

 10 and 12 million sportsmen in the USA and Canada. During the 

 past two decades, I have watched the languid leadership of the 



