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The reason I opposed the change is not the cost of the letterhead, 

 but I do appreciate your offer on that one. It is because NSF is also 

 very much about learning. It is about education. 



The research we support in engineering is primarily fundamental 

 engineering. "Engineering" is a much broader area, a much broader 

 enterprise than "science" is. Pretty quickly we would, I think if we 

 wanted the title to really represent the kind of things NSF does, 

 we would need "education" in the title as well as, and then maybe 

 "research," and it starts to become cumbersome. 



Mr. Barton. But we have a Department of Education. Engineer- 

 ing is a profession. I did not offer the amendment in a trivial atti- 

 tude. I offered it because the engineering societies of our nation, 

 which I happen to think are the greatest engineers in the world, 

 strongly feel that they are the stepchild of an agency in which the 

 charter very specifically names engineering as a separate function 

 of the Foundation. 



Now I do not want to belabor this because the Chairman has 

 been very kind, and you have been here for two hours, but I do 

 want you to know this a serious effort. 



We had a fairly close vote. It would have passed, I think, if you 

 had indicated support, which you did not. So I just wanted to take 

 this opportunity to make you aware that we are going to keep try- 

 ing and hope that we can work together and get you to change your 

 mind. 



Dr. Lane. Thank you, Mr. Barton. 



Mr. Barton. And with that I will yield back to the chairman. 



Mr. Schiff. I thank the gentleman. 



Dr. Lane and Dr. Petersen, I am going to have to go in a moment 

 because I am due on the House Floor. In a moment I am going to 

 ask the Vice Chairman of the Full Committee, Congressman 

 Ehlers, to chair in my place, but then recognize Mr. Olver and any 

 Members for a second round if they choose. 



Two things. 



Just so we are clear on the two matters I have asked you about, 

 I am asking whether the extended figures for the year 2002 that 

 you told us about are connected to the CBO-scored budget or to any 

 other budget. 



And second, whatever figures you have been given from the Ad- 

 ministration, that you provide them to all the members of the Sub- 

 committee, if you would. 



Also, I have some more technical questions that I wonder if you 

 would be willing to answer in writing. Therefore, I presume there 

 would be no objection to that? 



Dr. Lane. I would be happy to do that, Mr. Chairman. 



Mr. Schiff. I know that, Dr. Lane. 



So I am going to give all Members one week to send whatever 

 questions in writing that they might want to ask, and would ask 

 you to respond in two weeks, if you could. 



Without objection, the record of the hearing will remain open for 

 30 days so that we can get these questions and answers back and 

 forth on the record. 



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