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Mr. Murray. I might mention that the tables show that in certain 

 wheat areas the producers received $4.72 per hour for producing 

 wheat in 1947, but I do not necessarily have to mention that at this 

 time. 



Mr. Granger. Wlio got that? 



Mr. Murray. The farmers in the Southwest. 



Mr. Granger. You mean the farmers got that on the basis of $4 an-, 

 hour? 



Mr. Murray. Yes. Not in Utah. You can analyze the table. It 

 goes into that. I think it has a relationship to what the Secretary is^ 

 presenting to us. 



I have a question mark on some proposals. I presume it was ani 

 oversight, but I was a little disappointed, Mr. Secretary, that you did 

 not bring out more clearly in connection with the long-range program 

 the emphasis on the land use. I was also disappointed you did not 

 emphasize the relationship of forestry to land use. I know from your 

 experience in the Department, even before you were Secretary, that 

 you would not be in favor of trying to promote agriculture in sections, 

 where it should not be promoted. 



I have that much respect for your judgment based on the positions 

 you have held in the past. Of course, that has been one of the things 

 that has made the Farm Home Administration as successful as it has 

 been. I would have liked it better if your statement had mentioned 

 that subject. 



I think that is a part of any long-range program, considering the 

 use of forestry as a long-range crop in the farm program. 



^Ir. White. Would the gentleman yield to return briefly to that 

 $4.72 an hour? 



Mr. Murray. Well, just read the table. 



Mr. White. I wanted to draw a comparison there. I presume that 

 you have taken into account the fact that the farmer has a lot of 

 equipment. I wonder if you have hired a man with a dump truck 

 lately so you can see what he charges you. Five dollars an hour 

 would look cheap. And the farmer has many times more equipment 

 than the dump-truck operator. 



Mr. Murray. If you will study the table you will find out the 

 fellow received that after he hired the trucks. I know those are con- 

 ditions that the Secretary did not like to see. The wheat was pur- 

 chased for a definite and immediate world need. 



They just happened to be the beneficiaries of that but I could not 

 help but mentioning it. 



Mr. Secretary. I wish you could clear up one more thing for me. 

 I have followed agriculture all my life and I have never been in such a 

 spot as the last day we were in session during the last Congress. 



I try not to be too ornery by nature, though I have a hard job at 

 times living up to that ideal. 



WTien we had the conference report on the Hope-Aiken biU, of 

 course I was willing to go along with the Hope part of it. 



I could sleep when I went to bed. I am in a position to say to you 

 without any partisanship in connection with that that I would not 

 sign the conference report. 



I felt that was a bad move at the time. You have to hold your 

 office, of course, Mr. Secretary, but we have to run for office. I 

 think your position is better. I just could not sign the conference 



