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you would get less certificates the next year as against me, when I 

 planned to plant more to take care of exports. Then you are punished 

 for not producing for export and, being panished, would not have a free 

 choice whether or not you woald produce for export next year. 



Mr. Taylor. You have that same problem now of maintaining your 

 wheat base; you have production credits, and some man who has held 

 up on his production to help conservation ever since the .4 A. A program 

 started is now being penalized because he docs not get credit for the 

 acreage he could have had in wheat. It is an age-old problem. So, 

 in answering tlie question, I would hesitate to make a definite answer, 

 because that is a detail that would have to be worked out in such a 

 way as to be fair and square. But we had hoped this plan would en- 

 courage a reduced acreage in wheat under certain conditions and 

 diverting it to other crops, but being penalized, as you suggest, under 

 that plan might discourage their doing that. 



Mr. Pace. Suppose I have never grown a grain of wheat in my 

 life and this plan goes into effect and I put 1,000 acres in wheat. 

 What happens to me? 



Mr. Taylor. There is another detail, and I am sure that the men 

 here from the various areas would disagree on the answer. Some of 

 the boys of our State who have been in areas where they have only 

 a few new wheat producers want to have their base established by 

 taking their production over a period of years, and the new man would 

 share along with the rest. All of these growers probably would not 

 agree with that statement. It depends on the locality you are from. 

 That is something that would have to be worked out, and I am not 

 prepared to make an answer any further than that. 



Air. Hope. If Mr. Pace will yield, in that respect j^our plan has 

 just the same difficulties that the allotment plan has? 



Mr. Taylor. That is right; so that the standard of determination 

 is not sure. 



Mr. Hope. The difficulties would be no less or no more? 



Mr. Taylor. From other standards, yes. 



Air. Hoeven. It is the same difficulty that confronts cotton farmers, 

 as far as that is concerned. 



Mr. Hope. Under any program, any farmer who voluntarily reduces 

 below his allotment is penalized, because he cuts down his base? 



Mr. Taylor. Yes. 



Mr. Hope. And that would be no better or worse under your plan 

 than under any plan where it depends on a base? 



Air. Taylor. Yes. Alay I say the other gentlemen with me are 

 prepared to take part in the discussion, and if you have any questions 

 you would like to put to them and get their comments, they are here. 



Air. Pace. You understand my questioning was just to show that 

 even your plan is not free of many difficulties and is not free of control. 



Air. Taylor. I do not know of any plan that is free of those things. 



Air. HoEVEN. First of all, Air. Taylor, I want to compliment you 

 on your very fine statement. 



Air. Taylor. Thank you. 



Air. HoEVEN. It is rather wholesome to have a witness once in 

 awhile who expresses some concern about the vast expenditures made 

 out of the Federal Treasury. 



Mr. Taylor. That represents the thinking of the whole Pacific 

 Northwest. 



