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Mr. Wilson. No; we we never did want it. 



Mr. Pace, Mr. Wallace tried that. He can take that same shot- 

 gun and shoot them in the head, clean them and dress them and put 

 them in cold storage. It is doubtful that the storage facilities are 

 available. That would cost an enormous sum. Do you suggest that 

 plan? 



Mr, Wilson, I did not suggest it to him in the first place. 



Mr. Pace. Let us be realistic. 



Mr. Wilson, I am being realistic. You have a guaranty at $1,43 

 under corn. You are cribbing the corn and storing it. You have 

 $2 under wheat. When you guarantee one you move into hogs. 



Mr. Pace. Do not take me off hogs; I want to come back to hogs. 



Mr. Wilson. I will come back to your hogs. That will bring you 

 to hogs. The Secretary and the Congress moved in and guaranteed 

 hogs. Any time that we guarantee a price higher than the free market 

 which the consumers of this country can and will support, you go 

 right back to the taxpayers and the load falls on their shoulders. 



Mr. Pace. I admit all that. 



Mr. Murray. Surely you would not want to put some new scheme 

 into operation that you saw operating during the war, at least, not 

 until your Government had done two things — let any foreign country 

 that is willing to take any excess pork we have at support prices; 

 second, so long as we have any restrictions on export. In other 

 words, it sounds silly to me to talk about putting the program in 

 operation and rolling out the barrel from the United States Treasury 

 at the same time that we will not even allow export of the same 

 products. Evidently, we do not make much effort to fill the commit- 

 ments if it is true that England would buy hogs and surplus pork 

 that we have. Then there is No. 3. We have the section 32 funds 

 that come from taking 30 percent of the customer's receipts. That is 

 largely from livestock and livestock imports. 



Last year we used $149,000,000 of section 32 funds; $13,000,000 of 

 it for livestock production and the remainder of the funds outside 

 of the livestock field altogether, including 22,000,000 pounds of 

 applesauce. 



Mr. Wilson. And potatoes on top of that. 



Mr. Murray. We cannot have any program work unless we have 

 someone who wants to make it work, and we cannot solve this hog 

 program unless we have people at the top who know what the score 

 is and who want to know what the score is. 



Mr. Wilson. I thinlv that you have expressed my opinion. 



Mr. Granger. Mr. Wilson, you kept saying that the Secretary of 

 Agriculture got himself out on this limb. I might say for the benefit 

 of fhe record that what was done was thi'ough absolute and determined 

 insistence of a member of this committee who comes from the greatest 

 hog-producing State in the United States. He insisted that we sup- 

 port the price of hogs this year. It was not the Secretary. It was 

 over the objection of the Secretary. It was Congress and the com- 

 mittee that did it. He is out on a limb. We are out on a limb, and 

 you want us to get out the best way we can. We want to get out the 

 best way we can, but we do not want simply to do nothing. I am 

 rather disturbed that you, representing the big organization that you 

 do, do not have some constructive thoughts to leave with this com- 

 mittee. You are not prepared to do that. 



