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percent because we will have quotas," and so it just has not gone 

 down with the farmers out there on the land. 



Now I have read the Brannan plan and given some little study 

 to it and discussed it with some of my neighbor farmers. We do like 

 the income-support approach in the plan. They still like it. That is 

 the thing we should have, something which will give to agriculture, 

 which permits us to go ahead and consume the other fellow's goods 

 and services, and thereby keep the wheels turning. 



We do like the idea of lowering the price and trying to get increased 

 consumption of these nonstorable products, such as milk and meat 

 products. Frankly, of course, we would rather that we would get the 

 return some other way if it was possible than from this check that 

 everybody wants to call a subsidy. As I said before, we are inclined 

 to look at it that it is simply a refund from some of the folks who were 

 not entitled to the subsidy that we gave to the consumers, but if 

 you can devise some other way that we can get the prices put down 

 where this $1,000 family can consume all the milk and everything 

 they need, we would be glad to have it that way. 



Mr. Pace. Your statement has been very interesting. 



Mr. DoNOHUE. I would be glad to answer any questions. ■ That is 

 about all, you see, that my envelope can hold and I jotted it down on 

 both sides. 



Mr. Pace. Thank you very much. The committee is delighted 

 to have your very comprehensive views on the problem, because they 

 realize you have been working on it for a long time. 



Gentlemen, a distinguished member of the committee will present 

 the next witness. Mr. O'Sullivan. 



Mr. O'Sullivan. Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee 

 on agriculture and other members of the full Committee on Agri- 

 culture, I wish to present to you Mr. Lyle Cooper, research director 

 of the United Packinghouse Workers of America, CIO, who is 

 substituting today for Mr. Ralph Helstein, president of the United 

 Packinghouse Workers of America, CIO, who was prevented from 

 being here and testifying on account of serious illness. So Mr. 

 Cooper will testify on behalf of his organization. 



Mr. Lyle Cooper. 



Mr. Pace. Thank you, Mr. O'Sullivan. 



We are delighted to hear from you, Mr. Cooper, and I am sure 

 you appreciate the limitatipn on time. 



Mr. Cooper. Yes, sir. Congressman Pace. I will try to be as 

 brief as I can. 



STATEMENT OF LYLE COOPER, RESEARCH DIRECTOR, UNITED 

 PACKINGHOUSE WORKERS OF AMERICA, CIO 



Mr. Cooper. Mr. Chairman and members of the subcommittee 

 on agriculture and the members of the full Committee on Agriculture, 

 I am appearing here today in the place of our president, Mr. Ralph 

 Helstein. 



The packinghouse workers represent most of the unionized workers 

 in the slaughtering and meat-packing industry. This holds particu- 

 larly for those employed hy the Big Four — popularly, and we believe 

 correctly, known as the Packing Trust — Swift, Armour, Wilson, and 

 Cudahy. Our union also holds collective-bargaining contracts cover- 



