1216 GENERAL FARM PROGRAM 



Mr. MuKRAY. We are taxing people now so that they cannot even 

 read a newspaper without paying a tax on the electric lamp, and they 

 cannot go to church without paying a tax on gasoline for their auto- 

 mobiles to ride to church. I want to know, from here on out, where 

 you are going to get the money to carry this program through. 



Mr. Jones. In 1947, the last year for which figures are available on 

 wool duties, these duties were revenue that went into the United 

 States Treasury, amounting to $77,587,000. And that is the least 

 revenue from import duties that has been collected from wool for 

 many, many years. Between the years 1941 and 1946, inclusive, 

 wool duties averaged $119,000,000 a year. So money is available 

 there which comes from duties collected on foreign wool. 



Mr. Murray. That is the biggest contribution that agriculture 

 makes to section 32 funds — is through wool. But we have to have 

 that money to grind up tobacco and sell it for fertilizer: we have to 

 have it to get rid of surplus apples. \\ e import $5,000,000 worth and 

 export $4,000,000 and buy 22,000,000 pounds of applesauce, and we 

 cannot be using that for the livestock industry. We have to use that 

 for these other groups who produce the other things; so we have not 

 used any for wool; not a dollar of that has been used for wool. 



Mr. Jones. That is correct. 



Mr. Murray. So that, if you will put that little gadget into it, you 

 would make some contribution, because then you would propose that 

 part of the section 32 funds would be used to support the domestic 

 price of wool, which does have some merit. 



Mr. Jones. We would like to suggest that. 



Air. Murray. Outside of that, outside of a certain amount there, 

 everybody seems to know, except Keyserling down at the White House, 

 that we ai'e running out of money, but he is hearing about it lately. 

 A lot of people still think this money is growing on trees. It is only 

 a few years back, in 1939, when we had 10,000,000 people unemployed, 

 and you know what prices were in the United States. Now, these 

 commodity prices go along with unemployment. There is not any- 

 body who can dispute that. .And I say to you with all friendliness 

 there is no use coming in her? with any grandiose schem.e, because if 

 yoQ have any program, you have to have one that shows where you 

 are going to get the money. Would y6u put a processing tax some- 

 where along the line to get the money; would you put in some other 

 gadget to produce the money? Otherwise, you are just talking about 

 something we do not have. 



Mr. Jones. Of course. Congressman Murray, I was assuming we 

 had a law in the statutes that provided for support. Of course, as I 

 say 



Mr. Murray. Sure — in the statutes, but where are you going to 

 get the money? 



Mr. Jones. What I was trying to do was to give the Congress 

 and the Department what we think is the best method of operating a 

 support program for wool. 



Mr. AluRRAY. And if you carry out the program based on a plan 

 like we had the pay-roll program, it might take $50,000,000,000. 



Mr. Pace. Are there any further questions on wool? 



Mr. PoAGE. I want to say I appreciate your coming here and 

 offering us a practical plan and trying to face the realities of the wool 

 situation, world trade, and all of the other matters, and I appreciate 



