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for military, for armament, but for battle with sicknesses of past 

 military activity. 



We have such a solution. We have such a resolution, an official 

 resolution, and I hope that we maybe in the next half-a-year will 

 try to create inside the military troops, specially environmental 

 troops, which are fully concerned, which are doing something with 

 radioactive pollution, with chemical pollution, with oil pollution. 

 You have an enormous problem with oil pollution in the military, 

 also. 



So it is one of part of the solution to this problem, because, of 

 course, we have no money, enough money to overcome this prob- 

 lem, obviously. 



The next maybe not theoretically but maybe more wide question, 

 in our energy policy, what is the nuclear cycle you have to conduct 

 in Russia is a hot topic for discussion in our military and our nu- 

 clear industry. You have not here reprocessing in the United 

 States. All spent nuclear fuel, you keep under special places. In my 

 country, we have reprocessing. We have one place for reprocessing 

 nuclear fuel in the South Ural, in Myak, is the name of this fac- 

 tory, Myak. 



And we have a special presidential decree to create a new huge 

 reprocessing plant in the Krasnyosk, but they have no money. They 

 dream that they collect money from Switzerland, from Taiwan, 

 from Japan, not from Norway but from Germany and so on and so 

 on, and when they collect this money, they construct this reprocess- 

 ing plant. But with the end of this reprocessing plant, plutonium, 

 you see, plutonium. What can we do with plutonium? We need to 

 create a new generation of nuclear power plant which works on 

 plutonium fuel. We environmentalists are strongly against this 

 plant. 



But, you see, your question has no answer, has no good answer, 

 because under discussion is the strategy, the strategy of reprocess- 

 ing. If you continue to reprocess or are rising the scale of reprocess- 

 ing fuel, there is an enormous problem with plutonium. Maybe dur- 

 ing the G-7 meeting we have to discuss this problem, also. 



Mr. Underwood. It seems like, based on your answer, you are 

 going to engage in the kind of debate that we have engaged in here 

 in this country about whether strictly defense appropriations and 

 what you do with them and what are environmental issues, and I 

 think there is a strong basis for arguing that they are so intimately 

 related, particularly in an instance like this. 



Dr. Yablokov. Yes. 



Mr. Underwood. Mr. Bryn, this is perhaps a question a little far 

 afield from you, but I caught in your testimony that you stated that 

 the problem is not so much what has already been dumped but the 

 management of future radioactive waste. Of interest to me are 

 plans in the Pacific, such as those, plans that I do not agree with, 

 but plans, for example, by the republic of the Marshall Islands to 

 invite radioactive waste to be stored in those islands since they as- 

 sume that those islands are already so polluted. What is your im- 

 pression or opinion about those kinds of plans? 



Mr. Bryn. I do not know those plans in detail, so it is very dif- 

 ficult to comment on them. But, of course, the main principle we 

 tried to stick to as much as possible is that each country has a re- 



