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you can do. .Cut out a little corner, triangular, put your cell in there, 

 hanging down and when you get back it will be fastened and the queen 

 hatched out. 



Mr. Bishop. — I had 58 cells on the plan that you are speaking 

 about. Understand, I did not give them a full foundation, I gave them 

 a half piece and this half sheet they just started to draw and before I 

 gave it to this colony the cells were not over half drawn. I got 48 

 cells. ' • 



The President. — Any one else have anything on this question? 



Question. — ^What success have pound packages of bees with 

 queen, purchased in the spring of 1917 proved to date? 



The President. — Has any one had any experience with pound 

 packages during the last year? I guess the majority were unable to 

 buy pound packages. 



Mr. Tyler. — I bought two pound packages and had them de- 

 livered last spring at this town. 



The President. — In 1918 it was impossible to buy any packages. 

 I tried and I could not find any bee-keeper in the United States that 

 could sell me bees in two pound packages. 



Mr. Hintzel. — Did you buy some bees two years ago in pound 

 packages? 



Mr. Warber. — ^I bought one pound with the queen that proved 

 satisfactory in 1917, they brought some surplus honey and this year 

 they were just the same as any swarm, probably alittle bit better than 

 some of the others, probably the result of having a better queen than 

 the others; the result was satisfactory, I just tried it with one pound, 

 to see what the results would be. 



Question. — How many are there present who produce extracted 

 honey and do not use queen excluders? 



Mr. Kildow. — There three here. 



Mr. Heinzel. — I believe Brother Bishop asked that question. 



Mr. Bishop. — The idea I had in mind was to find out what kind 

 of a frame these brothers outside of Brother. Dadant used. I use the 

 Hoffman frame and I can tier my colonies up five and six bodies high. 

 If I use for extracted honey my queen will go right to the top every time. 

 What I was trying to get at, is that a good method that I use or is 

 there any other method? 



The President. — I should Uke to hear what Mr. Millen has to 

 say on this subject. 



Mr. Millen. — ^We have one bee-keeper in Iowa, near Ames, who 

 never used queen excluders and he has very little trouble with the 

 queen going up. He uses a system of re-queening, and he can kill his 

 queen without reducing the flow. He kills the queens and uses young 

 queens and he never has any trouble with the young queens going up 

 through the honey into the upper bodies. Mr. David Rainey, of Michi- 

 gan, who produces extracted honey entirely, does not use queen ex- 

 cluders, but Mr. Rainey practices the shaJcing method and about 

 every ten days, he will go around and shake the queen and all the bees 

 into a super, putting the body of the brood right on top, then he cuts 

 out the queen cells. 



