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Mr. MacNeill. — Yes, a hand power machine. 



The Secretary. — I don't know, I believe if you had your temper- 

 ature of your honey the first time at 90, and gave them all the speed 

 they would stand, you could speed them up twenty-five per cent higher 

 than you could with ten frames, because with ten frames in a super 

 your combs are thin. 



Mr. MacNeill.— I don't use ten, I use seven. . 



The Secretary.- — Seven or eight. 



Mr. MacNeill. — I speed it up so that I break the combs once 

 in a while. It is a very easy matter for each one to try it and see, be- 

 cause I am satisfied that it pays well at the price of honey. I don't 

 think, Mr. Bull, that the point is so much in regard to the temperature, 

 it. is in regard to the thickness of the honey. I don't care what temper- 

 ature your honey is when you first take it out, the bulk of your honey 

 will come out at a high temperature. As soon as you get the walls 

 of your frame all cool, as it will be after the bulk of the honey get out, 

 then the process of the extracting cools that off very fast. That will 

 solidify and chill your honey, the point being in the second extracting 

 that the moisture from the air — Dr. Miller said it would be better to 

 keep them in the basement or in the cellar— the moisture going into 

 the volume of honey left in the comb makes that liquid enough so 

 that it will come out again on the second extracting, where it would 

 not have come out under any temperature on the first. As far as I 

 could see, there was not any particular difference at all after the ex- 

 tracting was done, as it stood in the extractor and ran out of the 

 extractor, I could see practically no difference, and it did not sour, 

 it was not affected in any way. 



A Member. — The first that you took out was just the heat of 

 the hives? . 



Mr. MacNeill.— Yes. 



A Member. — And the second time did you have it just as warm? 



Mr. MacNeill. — I did not have it nearly as warm, because I 

 did not have the heat of the hive. 



A Member. — If you run your extractor long enough your combs 

 will be dry, because I know in using an electrically run extractor we 

 run it five or ten minutes for the whole operation, and we get good 

 honey, and the combs are just as dry as you could wish them to be. So 

 I should think it would pay to get a power extractor to do the extracting. 



Mr. MacNeill. — Well, that is all very well and it may be all 

 true. The possibility is that after the first few frames, when I checked 

 up and found I was getting quite enough to make it worth while, 

 that I may not have extracted to the full extent that I otherwise would 

 the first time, but in any case I believe it would pay to run your machine 

 a shorter time the first time, with the intention of extracting the second 

 time, rather than to consume all that time on the first operation and 

 not give a chance for the honey to liquify for the second operation. In 

 other words, rather than to run the extractor five minutes the first 

 time, you would save time by running it two minutes and then fe- 

 extracting for one minute, saving thus on the setting of combs two 

 minutes, and I think you would get more honey in the end than you 

 would by the other method. 

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