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Mr. Kildow saw fit to allow him to in- 

 spect apiaries. 



President Baxter — Could he send any 

 one else out? 



Mr. Pyles — Not under the civil ser- 

 vice. 



Dr. Baxter — The point I understand 

 that he makes: He should take that 

 man and give him some instruction be- 

 fore he sends him out. 



President Baxter — I agree with him. 

 But I contend if he passes the civil ser- 

 vice you cannot debar him. 



Dr. Baxter — If he is incompetent, 

 you can; take it up with the civil ser- 

 vice commission and prove he is in- 

 competent. 



Mr. Coppin — Who has the authority 

 to do that? 



Dr. Bater — The State Inspector of 

 Apiaries could file charges. 



Mr. Wiley — That examination is not 

 rigid enough. The written examina- 

 tions that we take are all right as far 

 as they go, but they do not go far 

 enough. 



I think these deputies should be ex- 

 amined orally by some competent per- 

 son. 



As Mr. Pyles has said, a man can 

 read the A, B, C, or read Dr. Miller or 

 somebody else on bee culture, and go 

 down and pass an examination, or he 

 could get enough out of this annual re- 

 port, but he would not be a practical 

 man for the place. 



I think there ought to be an oral ex- 

 amination and that they should be ex- 

 amined by a competent person, before 

 being sent out. 



President Baxter — I would want to 

 see them manipulate hives. ' 



Mr. Pyles — I would want to see them 

 diagnose. 



Mr. Kildow — I have one deputy sent 

 me by the civil service who passed an 

 examination of 94, I think, I believe he 

 was second on the list, and I am satis- 

 fied in my own mind that if I gave 

 that man much work to do he would 

 have a hornet's nest around him. That 

 mian is not fit for an Inspector, while 

 he passed the best kind of an exami- 

 nation. 



Passing the examination is only one 

 step, the first step to what a man 

 ought to be; therefore it places me in 

 rather a bad position — the way the 



civil service is conducted. They pass 

 him on an examination, on paper; I try 

 to pass him on his qualifications. I do 

 not know how many more there are 

 like him. 



Mr. Dadant — Have you the right to 

 reject him? 



Mr. Kildow — I could give him no 

 work; simply give him work when I 

 needed him; that is the only loop hole 

 I have. 



President Baxter — If they enact the 

 Economy and Efficiency Law we are 

 going to be up against it along these 

 lines. We will have men for Inspec- 

 tors and deputies, and have the Horti- 

 cultural Societies at the head that do 

 not know anything about the vocation 

 they are chosen for, and, instead of 

 being efficiency, we are going to have 

 inefficiency; I do not know about econ- 

 omy; guess the salaries probably will 

 be doubled. 



In Ohio they have rejected this 

 Economy and Efficiency plan two years 

 ago they talked of it. We want to 

 watch our legislature pretty closely 

 this winter. We want men to fill the 

 various offices who are experts in their 

 vocations to handle those societies and 

 care for their interests. 



Mr. Kildow — The Inspector wants 

 men who can handle men as well as 

 disease. 



Mr. Williams — Now as I understand 

 it: I took this civil service examina- 

 tion and passed way down to the bot- 

 tom; I took it with the idea in my 

 mind I wanted to learn something 

 about the bee business. I did not ex- 

 pect a job because I had a better one 

 than this, but I got the bee fever and 

 I wanted to get out of it what there 

 is in an experimental way; I think 

 the Inspector (excuse me for being 

 personal) does not understand his 

 power. If he finds a man who is in- 

 competent it is his duty to the bee- 

 keepers of Illinois and the legislature 

 that appropriates the money, and the 

 taxed apiaries that help pay it, to 

 fire that man bodily. He has got the 

 power to do it; all he has to do is to 

 say he is not competent. 



Mr. Kildow — ^I have to prove it. 



Mr. Williams — ^I have held two civil 

 service jobs and they can fire you 

 bodily, and then the man who is fired 

 has to know what he is fired for. Then 



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