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water jacket below it and heat our 

 honey as we wish to bottle it. We 

 bottle our honey for the trade, and I 

 think I would want to take exception 

 to the method already explained of 

 having a large tank and keeping it 

 warm that it would not granulate but 

 heating to the extent sufficient to keep 

 it from granulating after it was 

 bottled. 



Our experience would indicate that 

 our honey in our locality, after it is 

 being heated up to a high temperature, 

 deteriorates in flavor and quality, and 

 if practiced to a. great extent will lose 

 its color — so we take exception to that 

 plan. It may be it would be all right, 

 but our knowledge is not sufficient to 

 warrant it. 



If there is any method in putting it 

 in large tanks and heating it as you 

 use it, I wish the gentleman would ex- 

 plain how to keep it from losing flavor 

 and color and fragrance. 



Mr. Bull — ^At what temperature do 

 you heat your honey when you bottle 

 it? 



Mr. Snyder — That varies — How long 

 it has been since we extracted; in the 

 early part of the season, 130 — ^At that 

 time the honey has not granulated; 

 if it shows signs of granulation, — 140. 

 If in winter, and the weather is cold, 

 run it up to 160 — ^but don't let it stay 

 there. Let it cool down as gradually 

 as possible. 



Mr. Bull — ^I do not know what idea 

 Mr. Hassinger has in view but my 

 idea of storing in Icvrge tanks: If you 

 keep honey hot very long it will lose 

 its honey flavor. 



In my opinion 120 degrees heat in 

 those large tanks would be the ex- 

 treme you would have to go — 130 on 

 the outside; I never go above 130. 

 Usually have 60 pound cans, so that I 

 can handle them with my bare hands 

 without any discomfort. 



120 to 130 degrees, the average tem- 

 perature you can stand on your bare 

 hands. 



The object of putting it in large 

 tanks — ^not allowing it to granulate — 

 If you keep that temperature to 100 

 degrees it never will granulate (at an 

 even temperature); I believe they keep 

 comb honey at 85 degrees. 



President Miller — Some bee-keepers 

 do not have sufficient quantity of 

 honey to make it pay to heat in large 

 tanks. 



Perhaps Dr. Phillips can give us 

 some pointers in regard to modern 



methods of heating and clarifying 

 honey. 



Dr. Phillipis— Dr. Phillips can add 

 nothing except as to the coil through 

 the middle — I never saw Mr. Pruder's 

 plan in operation in Indianapolis, but 

 understood there was considerable 

 danger in running a steam coil 

 through the honey, in scorching the 

 honey. I do not know whether that 

 was actual experience or criticism 

 somebody made. It seems to me it 

 would be simpler all around to have 

 double boiler. 



President Miller— My impression is 

 it is double boiler. Homer, of Phila- 

 delphia, has a double boiler, and I 

 think Mr. Muth, of Cincinnati. Stir 

 the honey while it is being liquefied. 



Mr. Haskins — ^Would that be auto- 

 matic stirring? 



Mr. Phillips — Yes. 



Mr. Hassinger — Of course, being be- 

 low the surface I don't suppose it 

 would agitate it enough to lose much 

 of its flavor. 



Dr. Gates is making a model plant 

 at Amherst; he has a paddle almost on 

 the bottom of the tank. 



Mr. Hassinger — It seems to me a 

 year or two ago I wrote to the Root 

 people inquiring' if a double water 

 jacket tank could be heated that way 

 and they wrote me that it would take 

 too long a time. 



So I thought the only way around 

 it would be to have hot water coil. 



Dr. Phillips — You could heat your 

 double boiler with steam coil if you 

 wanted to . 



Mf. Hassinger — On the outside? 



Dr. Phillips— Yes. 



President Miller — On heating honey 

 "-^r bottling in a small way — for the 

 fellow who has only a few hundred 

 pounds — can some one give us a few 

 pointers on that? Most of us have not 

 tons of honey perhaps, or at least we 

 have not carloads of it. 



Mr. Lyman — ^I would say there is a 

 laundry stove made that has a water 

 jacket; simple connection, gas pipe 

 with tank makes a very nice heating 

 arrangement, for small use, say up to 

 500 pounds. 



President Miller — Any one else any- 

 thing to say? 



Mr. Kannenberg — ^Lately I have not 

 been very active in the honey business, 

 but I dissolve my honey in a double 

 boiler. I have got a boiler that holds 

 water on the outside and heat it with 



