ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS' ASSOCIATION 



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Mr. Secretary: 



In arranging the program for the Na- 

 tional meeting* at Denver, this winter, we 

 are asking each affiliated Association to 

 select one member to furnish a paper for 

 the program, treating on the subject that 

 you may select, to be read in person if 

 possible, if not, by proxy. Will you kindly 

 see to this personally, and arrange for 

 this at once? Send me the name and 

 address now. and the topic as soon as 

 possible. G. W. "W. 



Mr. Becker — I move you, Mr. Presi- 

 dent, that we adjourn until tomorrow 

 morning at nine o'clock. 



Pres. Baxter — We have Mr. Gates 

 with us, who is President of the Na- 

 tional Association, and if he is here to- 

 morrow we can get some information 

 about the status of the Association; if 

 not, why, then I want to ask some ques- 

 tions this evening, but Mr. Gates is on 

 the program for tomorrow afternoon, I 

 believe, and will also be on for this 

 evening — is that correct, Mr. Gates? 



Mr. Gates — Yes. 



Pres. Baxter — Mr. Becker, I will en- 

 tertain your motion — Is there a sec- 

 ond? 



Mr. King — We have some questions 

 here. 



Question — Are Golden Queens better 

 than three or five band — ^Why? 



Mr. Coppin — Better to look at. 



Pres. Baxter — That is a pretty true 

 answer in some respects. 



Mr. Moore — I have always understood 

 the pure Italian Queen is a three 

 banded queen. I never had any ex- 

 perience with Goldens but I have heard 

 they have bred out lots of good points 

 in getting that extra color; I prefer 

 the three banded Italian. 



Pres. Baxter — Give me the three 

 banded leather colored in preference to 

 anything else; you know you have 

 something that will work. 



Mr. Stone — Some of my Goldens went 

 through last winter better than the 

 darker bees. 



Mr. Werner — I have three as fine 

 Goldens as j^ou ever want to see and 

 they made more honey than the three 

 banded. 



Mr. Gray — I got hold of some of them 

 and got rid of them as quickly as I 

 could. They would sting you if you 

 went near the hive. 



Question: Is the twelve frame hive 

 better than the eight or ten frame hive? 



Pres. Baxter — Let whoever has had 



experience with the different hives tell 

 us which is the better. 



Mr. Moore^I use a twenty frame 

 hive. 



Pres. Baxter — Piling up the supers? 



Mr. Moore — Yes. 



Mr. Moore — In the spring I have a 

 hive body with ten frames; in fruit 

 bloom if they begin to get filled up I 

 give them another hive body with ten 

 combs for the queen to work in. I 

 jamb the lower hive body full of brood. 

 I think for ordinary use (and I have 

 had considerable experience around the 

 country with the eight and ten frame) 

 and for the ordinary bee-keeper, the 

 ten frame is the best size; ten frame 

 Langstroth size. I would not advise 

 anybody to use a twelve frame hive; 

 they are not standard size and you have 

 a hard time getting the extra parts, the 

 supers, hive bodies, frames and covers; 

 you have to have them made to your 

 order especially. For that reason I 

 would not advise anyone to get an odd 

 sized hive. 



Mr. Kildow — Dr. Miller uses the eight 

 frame hives and none of us can hold 

 a candle to him. 



Mr. Moore — I don't believe there is 

 any of us who does the same amount 

 of work in his apiary in manipulation 

 that Dr. Miller does. He admits, him- 

 self, if he started with the ten. frame 

 he would have liked it better. 



Mr. Kildow — Take the eight frame 

 hive: It takes more attention than the 

 ten frame, but I believe the eight frame, 

 with a man who understands his busi- 

 ness as Dr. Miller does, he will get 

 possibly more honey than from any 

 other. 



This having the standard size — I 

 don't think there is anything in that. 



Mr. Moore — I will say in regard to 

 this having a standard: Different 

 manufacturers have what they call the 

 standard Langstroth hive — but they 

 vary. We thrashed that subject out 

 pretty thoroughly at the National Con- 

 vention and it was left with the Execu- 

 tive Committee at that time to inter- 

 view the manufacturers and get them 

 to make their hive bodies, frames and 

 covers of the same dimensions so that 

 they would be interchangeable. 



Mr. Bowen — I don't believe in tying 

 to any kind of hive; it would be just 

 like in school work; you might say 

 that books we used fifty years ago 

 would be good enough for the schools 

 of today. I think the moment you take 



