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Pres. HufCman— I think I can bear Mr. 

 Cavanagh out in that, for we have had 

 in our section of the country the same 

 experience; a dry year, and the winter 

 kiled the white clover, and then the 

 next year new clover came on and Ave 

 got no honey, and even the next year 

 from that new plant we got no honey. 

 While the field was perfectly white with 

 white clover, we did not get honey 

 beQause it was a new plant. We find 

 that it works that -way with us as a 

 rule; if you want a good my from 

 white clover, take an older plant; I 

 do not see much difference in our sec- 

 tion of the country between a two year 

 old and a three year old; one produces 

 about as much as the other. 



Mr. Pyles — This question has been 

 pretty well thrashed over before. I 

 remember seeing an article in the 

 American Bee Journal, when Mr. York 

 asked the question — "How long will it 

 teike, when you place one plant in the 

 center of a forty acre field, before that 

 white clover would reach out and 

 cover the forty acres?" — Dr. Miller in 

 an Illinois State Bee -Keepers' Conven- 

 tion said it grew like strawberries; 

 it kept reaching out its shoots and 

 taking root, but when he got really 

 a .dry year he found he had no white 

 clover; and then he said he always 

 supposed the plant lived right along 

 year after year. White clover will 

 die the second year unless it is pas- 

 tured closely and no seed formed, in 

 which case it will live indefinitely on 

 until it does seed; it has to form the 

 seed when it will die the second year; 

 if you do not let it form seed, it will 

 keep growing for ten years; sweet 

 clover is the same; when it forms seed, 

 it dies. 



With us, I will say, and I believe it 

 is generally so; whenever you have 

 moisture in the spring, the clover 

 comes up; it don't make any difference 

 when the seed was formed; it nearly 

 always comes up in the spring when 

 you have enough an'Oisture. It takes 

 a rainy spell to bring the clover seed. 



Pres. Huffman — It is a good deal like 

 the thistle — the seed is there. 



"What action would have to be 

 taken in order to secure the expenses 

 of this Association from the State As- 

 sociation?" 



Mr. Dadant^I believe I can answer 

 that; simply a motion that the Secre- 

 tary be instructed to put his bill into 

 the State Association for the expenses; 



I think that would bring the money ail 

 right. 



Pres. Huffman — Is there any member 

 present who w^ishes to do that? That 

 means, now, for 1912. 



Mr. Dadant — That means for 1912; 

 I would have to do that before the first 

 of January. 



Mr. Pyles — I wrote that question. 

 I have had some experience with State 

 Bee-Keepers' Association; my impres- 

 sion is that in order to get this it would 

 have to be appropriated by the State 

 Bee-Keepers' Association; it is possible 

 the Executive Committee would feel 

 they had authority. I would hardly 

 feel that I had if I were a member 

 of the Executive Committee. 



The appropriation does not say, for 

 affiliating Societies; although I think 

 we would have a right to it; anywhere 

 in the State of Illinois where there 

 are only five or six bee-keepers a Foul 

 Brood Inspector could call and inspect 

 the bees and the State Bee-Keepers' 

 Association would pay the expenses of 

 it; I believe that would be possible. 



Mr. Dadant — I might say, we 

 thrashed that over last year, and it was 

 thought that the State w^ould not be 

 allowed to pay our expenses, excepting 

 those for disseminating information to 

 our members; this is for postage, 

 printing and post cards. If we tried to 

 charge up the expenses of the hall rent, 

 traveling expenses, etc., it w^ould not be 

 allowed; but in sending out informa- 

 tion to bee-keepers or to members who 

 are members of the State Association, 

 I am simply acting ^s part of the State 

 Association, under the direction of the 

 State Association, and that part of the 

 expenses can be paid by our State 

 Association; that is w'hat Mr. Stone, 

 the Secretary of the Illinois State As- 

 sociation, decided last year, when he 

 was here. 



Pres. Huffman — Then right along 

 that same line, we as an Association 

 are a part of the State; we belong to 

 the State and for that reason, as Mr. 

 Stone has said and as I understand 

 it, we are entitled to it; but only for 

 what has been stated; not for any 

 other expenses. 



Mr. Pyles — You know the State Bee- 

 Keepers' Association is allowed to fur- 

 nish the traveling expenses of a mem- 

 ber going to their Convention who 

 has papers to read or anything of that 

 nature; they allow expenses right 

 along; and if this would be a meet- 



