ILLINOIS STATE BEE-KEEPERS' ASSOCIATION 



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Mr, Pyles — I don't think that the 

 president has any right to claim any 

 privilege that he would not accord the 

 members. When he talks, it is for 

 puWication. 



Pres. Huffman — This paper is for 

 our benefit, and he is our servant. I 

 want you people, if you have anything 

 to say, to say it. 



Mr. Pyles^ — The question is, whether 

 it is best to say anything. Of course, 

 we might get back on this co-opera- 

 tion line, and we tabooed that question 

 yesterday, and after the meeting was 

 , over and Mr. Cavanagh was so 

 anxious for a discussion, and I walked 

 off and left him, he said I was afraid, 

 so we had better be careful about that 

 part of it. 



I can buy bee supplies — the kind I 

 want — as cheap as the National can 

 buy them for me. I am buying 4x5 

 sections for $2.75 and $3.25, and I am 

 reasonably sure that the National will 

 not be. able to buy them any cheaper 

 for ine. I am reasonably sure that 

 that is as cheap as the jobber is get- 

 ting those sections for from the fac- 

 tory. They are, of course, an odd size, 

 but I can transact that business more 

 satisfactorily than any one can for me, 

 I believe. 



A year ago I stated, and I so state, 

 that if the National Bee-Keepers' As- 

 sociation can give nie value received, 

 I do not care if the dues -are $5.00; 

 but If I do not get value received, I 

 am opposed to paying $1.0-0. There is 

 no charity connected with this; 

 neither am I interested in the National 

 Bee-Keepers' Association owning and 

 publishing a paper. As long as the 

 editor that has gone owned the -paper, 

 or controlled it, and aided it with his 

 wonderful ability, we received value 

 for our money. I am not saying any- 

 thing against the present editor, 

 but the bee-keeping world at large lost 

 a great deal in the death of Mr. 

 Hutchinson. It is a question in my 

 mind whether there is any one to take 

 hisi place. If it had been left to me, 

 I would have been opposed to the 

 National Bee-Keepers' Association tak- 

 ing charge of the Bee -Keepers', Review, 

 or any other paper. The way the Na- 

 tional was run before the present con- 

 stitution went into effect suited me 

 fairly well. I got a letter from one 

 of the officers of one of the National 

 Bee-Keepers' Associations before tfie 

 vote was taken on that. He did not 

 suggest how I would vote, but he was 



opposed to it. He was one of the of- 

 ficers of the National Bee-flKeepers' As- 

 sciclation, whom I have as much 

 respect for and confidence in as any 

 man in the association. You can draw 

 your own conclusions. 



I do not know much about what cans 

 can be bought for. I am paying for 

 mine 30 cents, and I pay the freight,. 

 60 -pound can (two in one). I will say 

 this about co-operation, in answer to 

 what Mr. Dadant said, that a man has 

 a right to that which he makes. He 

 has a perfect right to that, and he does 

 not have any right anywhere else. If 

 he can get anything else besides that 

 he seemingly is ahead, but his right 

 ceases when it begins to infringe on 

 the other man's right. 



Pres. Huffman — I might add an- 

 other thought right there in addition 

 to what the gentleman has just said, 

 and to my remarks on the question of 

 cans. 



We have had prices from the Na- 

 tional and also from Chicago, they 

 claiming a better quality of tin than 

 we could get here. The parties we 

 were getting of here claimed in num- 

 ber 7 per cent better. We got them 

 for less money, and saved freight from 

 Detroit to Chicago, and in buying from 

 the National we would have had to 

 buy direct from them f . o. b. Michigan, 

 so we considered the freight proposi- 

 tion an item. There was about 1 cent 

 difference in the price as to the can, 

 single square can, boxed, and if they 

 can show me (I am like the fellow 

 from Missouri), I am willing to patron- 

 ize the National, and if they cannot, 

 I am not. I would like to hear from 

 Mr. Cav^anagh. He has the paper in 

 hand. (Mr. Townsend's letter.) 



Mr. Cavanagh — I have got the paper, 

 and all that is in it, but not much be- 

 sides. In this organization, on the 

 new basis, including the Review, I 

 have been watching them, and there 

 are two things I see they are talking 

 of incorporating. One is to supply its 

 n>embers with supplies; another is the 

 legal protection, a form of insurance, 

 same as liability insurance against 

 getting into trouble. 



As a rule, when a man gets into any 

 financial difficulties he is to blame; he 

 was either a blockhead when he started 

 out or a blockhead for not getting 

 out of it. I am not very much im- 

 pressed with that part of it for that 

 reason. I had experience with the 



