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TWELFTH ANNUAL REPORT OF THE 



portation company at the starting 

 point. You are obliged to go with a 

 car of bees in shipping in carload lots 

 or less than carloads. 



Pres. Huffman — Has any one else 

 had any experience in shipping bees 

 by the pound? 



Mr. Kannenberg will give us a talk 

 on— ""^^Tiich I like Best— The Deep or 

 the Shallow Fi-ames for Extracting." 



"Which I Like Best— The Deep or The 

 Shallcw Frames Extracting." 



Mr. Kannenberg — I have not much 

 on this subject because I don't think 

 it is of much use anyway. 



"Deep and Shallow Frames for ex- 

 tracting — Which do I like best? If I 

 would run more than the one apiary 

 I would prefer the deep frame with a 

 queen excluder, so that the queen could 

 not get in the upper story, and keep 

 her confined in the brood chamber. I 

 have tried it without an excluder but 

 I have found more or less that the 

 queen goes up above when she gets 

 crowded down below unless you Avait 

 until tl'e honey flow sets in; then the 

 \vo!ker bees will not be likely to let 

 lur up above, on account of honey 

 ciimiiig- in so fast, to fill in the cells, 

 not to giA^e her a chance to lay eggs, 

 and vhen on the other hand I like 

 deep frames because you can give them 

 more room. They are not able to 

 swarm so quick and you have to pay 

 not so much attention to them, as you 

 would liave to do by shallow frame, 

 iout in handling the deep frame I be- 

 lie\e it i5= hard work, because if they 

 are full of honey, one man cannot 

 hardly handle them, and in uncapping 

 the honey the deep frame is so broad 

 for the uncapping knife, that it takes 

 a good steady hand to run your knife 

 straiglit over the capping; if you cut 

 in too deep you are liable to spoil the 

 comb, and if your knife is too cold it 

 can happen very easily. In all, what 

 I have said about the deep extracting 

 frame, I would come to the conclusion 

 that I would rather prefer the shallow 

 frame for extracting where a man only 

 has one apiary; he will have time 

 enough to look after them so that when 

 they are filled up with honey he can 

 give them some more frames and I 

 know when the honey flow is on, the 

 queen will not go up in the frame; 

 and one man can handle the shallow 

 supers very easily; he does not have 

 to have one of those hiye lifters; and 



as to extracting the shallow frame it 

 is much easier to run the uncapping 

 knife over it; if your knife is warm 

 you can take it off all at once; that 

 is the reason that I like the shallow 

 frame the best. But if there is any 

 one here who thinks differently than 

 I do, then now is the time to discuss 

 it. I was only asked to give my 

 opinion as to which I liked the better, 

 the deep or the shallow frame. I like 

 the shallow frame. 



C. F. KANNENBERG." 



Pres. Huffman— Does any one wish 

 to ask Mr. Kannenberg any questions 

 m regard to the paper? 



Mr. Bull— I would like to ask the 

 members of the Convention tiow many 

 prefer the shallow and how many pre- 

 fer the deep frames for extracting. 



Pres. Huffman— The shallows have 

 It; but it is a little shallow. I am for 

 the deep frame. 



Mr. Bruner— As to the way Mr 

 Kannenberg gets his bees off the 

 frames: I put boards under the frame 

 one evening and the next morning the 

 bees are all out. I take the frame off, 

 and m the summer when it is warm. 

 I set it down in some corner; in a half 

 hour the bees are all out without 

 putting the board on. 



Mr. Cavanagh— I v.-oud like to ask 

 Mr. Kannenberg, while he is fussing 

 about putting that board under, why 

 he does not take the honey off and ex- 

 tract it; while it is hot instead of 

 bothering the bees twice. 



Mr. Kannenberg— Brush the bees 

 off? 



Mr. Cavanagli — Yes. 



Mr. Kannenberg— I don't want to 

 fuss with that brushing them off. 



Pres. Huffman— I would like to ask 

 Mr. Kannenberg a question along that 

 line: 



If you want to extract three or four 

 thousand pounds in one day, could you 

 get your bees off the supers; in order 

 to do that you would have to do it 

 the day before, would you not? 



l^r. Kannenberg— Yes, the day be- 

 fore. 



Mr. Dadant — Mr. Cavanagh said he 

 would take the honey right off. I 

 would like to ask him — do you extract 

 while the crop is over? 



Mr. Cavanagh — While it is over or 

 not; we don't have any trouble with 

 robbing; we have to attend to busi- 

 ness. With our system of extracting, 

 we are here today and gone tomorrow; 



