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else may come up that needs attention. 

 If the National is not there to help out 

 individual bee-keepers are not very 

 likely to do it. 



A member — "We, as brother bee-keep- 

 ers, know that where there is "union 

 there is strength," and where we are 

 united and stand together in a body 

 we will be the stronger. Horse breed- 

 ers have an association, and we can 

 have the same thing in a legitimate, 

 fair way. 



Another thing right along this same 

 line: I might add while Mr. Cavanagh 

 is getting his questions readj^ 



As I so understand it, the National 

 is not now run at all in the way it 

 was. We do not have our conventions 

 and our meetings like we used to; you 

 can't do any business or anything of 

 the kind there. It is a meeting of dele- 

 gates; their intention was to have a 

 meeting of the delegates at Cincinnati, 

 Ohio, and then take the delegates' 

 meeting over to the District of Colum- 

 bia. You know why that was asked 

 for; and they took a vote upon it, and 

 by taking a vote upon it, there were 

 two for Washington and two for Cin- 

 cinnati, and our delegate "in Wisconsin 

 M'as asked to decide the question, and 

 he decided for Cincinnati; that is why 

 you have the National at Cincinnati; 

 and he said it is the first time in a 

 year they have asked him for any de- 

 cision; perhaps if they had not had a 

 tie, they would not have asked him. 



Mr. Pyles — I believe it would be a 

 good idea to take some action for Mr. 

 Cavanagh's benefit. I move that the 

 President call for a vote on this; those 

 in favor of the National Bee -Keepers' 

 Association defending its members 

 when the General Manager thinks they 

 are in the right — I move that that be 

 voted upon. 



Motion seconded and carried unani- 

 mously. 



Pres. HufEman — Here is another 

 question — "To what extent shall such 

 expense be covered by the National?" 



Mr, Dadant — My suggestion would be, 

 that is to be left to the judgment of 

 and to the authority of the General 

 Manager or whoever has it in charge. 



Mr. Pyles — I believe that the way it 

 formerly was — the National only paid 

 half the expense anyhow; I believe that 

 is the way they did it before. If the 

 National is going to bear aJl the ex- 

 pense, there are people that like trouble 

 and like it at the "other fellow's" ex- 



pense, and they might go out of their 

 way a little and manufacture these 

 things in order to stir up trouble, be- 

 cause they know some one is going to 

 defend them. 



I believe the National should not be 

 asked to pay more than half the ex- 

 pense. 



Mr. Cavanagh — There is a difference 

 — a distinct difference between obligat- 

 ing ourselves to carry a man through 

 any trouble he gets into and in saying 

 that we will help him out all we can. 

 Now, if we obligate ourselves to a cer- 

 tain extent, we become, on that prin- 

 ciple, a Legal Liability Company. If 

 we are obligated to defend a man to a 

 certain extent, in a certain sum, we 

 must have rates that would figure out 

 the same as a Liability Company would 

 figure their cases; and find out how 

 much money we would have to have in 

 order to defend our members. But to 

 say that we will defend our members 

 as far as we can, we are only bound 

 to do what we can according to our 

 best judgment. I think that is all that 

 the National ought to do, or all that 

 they should be asked to do. Leave it 

 in the hands of the man who has charge 

 of these matters, to use his discretion. 



Pres. HufEman— As I so understand 

 it— that is the way the General Man- 

 ager always did do. 



Mr Pyles— The reason I suggested 

 not to exceed half of it was that we 

 would keep the party from getting into 

 trouble himself, and if the General 

 Manager is reasonably certain that the 

 man is to blame himself, he will not 

 be backing him,— and if a man gets 

 into trouble on his own score, he will 

 have to fight it out for himself, and 

 then the National Bee -Keepers' Associ- 

 ation won't be paying anything; but 

 if they take up the case, and in their 

 judgment they think it should be de- 

 fended, then they to pay half. 



Supplies Furnished At Cost by 

 National? 



"Is it the sentiment of this Conven- 

 tion that supplies, cans, et cetera, shall 

 be furnished at actual cost to its mem- 

 bers, or shall a profit be charged to 

 members?" 

 Profits Charged to Defray Expenses? 



"Shall profits be charged to defray 

 expenses and dividends be declared?" 



"Shall we defray expenses of such 

 transaction, by assessment?" 



