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whole subject of natural beauty. But just as an advisory committee 

 to this Council, I think is too narrow a function. 



Secretary UDALL. I would concur with Secretary Paul. I think 

 the really basic question that we face is how does the momentum 

 arising out of this conference, out of the new initiative of the Presi- 

 dent how do we keep it rolling, rippling outward, gaining mo- 

 mentum? It is obvious, if all of you turn in nice reports and go 

 home, this will have an effect, but this won't keep the Nation aroused 

 as it should be. Because if this is to be a crusade of sorts, I think 

 there has to be a constant input of ideas and I think that, therefore, 

 there is a very important need for outstanding national leaders to 

 be prodding this Council, to be advising the President, to be perform- 

 ing both functions. Unless we have in some way or other a continu- 

 ation of what is going on here today, it is my feeling that we will have 

 lost something that is very important to us right now. 



Secretary FREEMAN. I think that an advisory committee, a rea- 

 sonably small one, would be very useful. I think it could create bet- 

 ter understanding by individuals, groups, and local governments of 

 what the Council does. We sit down and work problems out, and 

 we are subject and I choose these words I hope you won't misun- 

 derstand to a certain scrutiny in this process. The stubbornness 

 that might exist at a given time and place in a given department when 

 something ought to be resolved or when there is overlapping, might 

 be overcome by just a little extra push, muscle, scrutiny, or outside 

 help. Otherwise we may not get over this hurdle of resolving diffi- 

 cult problems. In this sense, an advisory group would assume a very 

 important role by providing a focus of attention, and by helping 

 resolve amicably the difficult questions. Such a group could perform 

 a very useful function. 



Mr. WHYTE. There is a great deal of confusion out in the field 

 over the rules of the game between the open space program under 

 HHFA and the Land and Water Conservation Fund of the Depart- 

 ment of the Interior. A lot of people are wondering what the bound- 

 aries of each are, who does what, and where. Because of this con- 

 fusion a lot of local projects have been grinding to a halt. 



When might there be a clarification on this? 



Secretary UDALL. Mr. Weaver and I have spent several hours 

 around tables with other people in the Administration and I think 

 we are very close to a resolution of this problem. I don't think any- 



