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tification, the least it can do is lead the States to places where they 

 will get the most help and the most support with the least resistance 

 and the least waste. 



Questions and Discussion 



Mr. GODDARD. Having the prerogative of the Chairman, I would 

 like to ask Senator Muskie one question because the Senator could 

 not be with us yesterday when our panel met informally. In line 

 with specific recommendations of Mr. Smith and Mr. Penfold, 

 referred to by others, I would like to get the Senator's concurrence 

 with this recommendation. 



This recommendation would establish a National Council on Nat- 

 ural Beauty and Recreation comparable to the proposed Council on 

 the Arts and Humanities. It should supersede the present Recrea- 

 tion Advisory Council. The panel recommends a permanent, Pres- 

 identially appointed Chairman within the Federal establishment. 

 The President should also appoint a Citizens' Advisory Committee on 

 Natural Beauty and Recreation which shall advise the new National 

 Council on setting priorities for national policy. 



Senator MUSKIE. One thing you ought to bear in mind is that 

 you rarely get a yes or a no answer, you know. This proposal seems 

 very similar to that which Senator McGovern and several Senators 

 are proposing. Senator McGovern's proposal is that there be 

 created a Resources and Conservation Council within the Executive 

 Office of the President. Your modification of that, I take it, would 

 make the Vice President Chairman, and the Council would not 

 necessarily be within the Executive Office of the President. 



I think something like this seems to me about as good a way of 

 implementing what you are trying to do organizationally as has 

 been advanced. I think it might be well to evaluate it in the light 

 of what I understand to be some of the thrusts of the discussion this 

 morning. 



One is, I think, the organization which would try to do this the 

 organization we are trying to develop here, and I am not speaking 

 of one monolith, but the kind of Federal organization about which 

 we are talking ought to serve three functions or purposes. One, to 

 identify all beauty objectives. And we are talking about beauty 

 in the broadest possible way conservation, recreation, scenic, qual- 



