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There are possibilities along the lines of excellent cooperation be- 

 tween the Forest Service in the Department of Agriculture and 

 the National Park Service at Cedar Grove area of Kings Canyon 

 National Park where the National Park Service has administered 

 the Forest Service lands on a very peaceful basis for about 10 or 15 

 years. 



Another excellent example is the new Ice Age Scientific Research 

 in Wisconsin where State parks will be working in a very cooperative 

 program with the Federal Government. We are hoping that similar 

 cooperation can be worked out in the redwood area and provide 

 a superb national park for all the people of the United States. 



CHARLES W. ELIOT II. I would like to make a comment on 

 the Senator's point about the other advisory councils being under con- 

 sideration. It would be very desirable, it seems to me, to combine 

 them all into a single organization. 



The second point, that instead of having them just another in- 

 terdepartmental committee, from our 10 year experience with the 

 National Planning effort in the 1930's, it is absolutely essential that 

 this should be in the Executive Office of the President. 



HENRY WARD. I would like to make this observation and give this 

 short background to qualify myself as an expert before I ask a 

 question. 



I was Commissioner of Conservation for eight years. I was a mem- 

 ber of the Water Pollution Commission, and I have been Commis- 

 sioner of Highways for five years. 



I was recently arguing with one of my friends in the Federal 

 service about the creation of another Federal agency in connection 

 with administration. I was arguing that there was a grave danger 

 in creating another Federal bureaucracy. He said, "Well, you al- 

 ready have a Federal bureaucracy, the Bureau of Public Roads. 

 There couldn't be anything worse than that." I said, "Yes, there 

 could be; there could be two of them." 



Now, the question that I want to raise is this. This Council that 

 you propose to create, would that be advisory advisory to the 

 President? Is it going to make recommendations to the President 

 which would then be transmitted to Congress for enactment into law, 

 or do you propose a Federal administrative agency that would get 

 involved in giving directions to the State agencies in all these various 

 fields that relate to this whole subject of natural beauty? 



