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General Motors, any of the big corporations. You are assuming that 

 the internal combustion engine is here to stay, that the kind of vehicles 

 we are using today are here permanently. What you should do is 

 recommend strongly and Mr. Whitton, I think your department 

 should take the lead in this and I think this is what Mr. Lipman 

 was talking about you should develop a complete technology of 

 movement in this country, as ambitiously conceived as the space 

 program, and shed our obsolete technology as rapidly as possible. 

 We shouldn't talk as if these rights-of-way are so important because 

 they are predicated upon a single system of movement. You are 

 not talking about total systems, you are only talking about landscape. 



Mr. BABCOCK. I will refuse to let my panel talk about this subject. 



JOHN J. LOGUE. I would like to bring up very briefly the matter of 

 suburban freeways. Big cities can defend open space such as Rock 

 Creek Park and Central Park but it is extremely difficult for the sub- 

 urban areas to do so with their weak governments and small areas of 

 jurisdiction. New developments and new highways are going to 

 create new traffic problems and it will take real effort to protect sub- 

 urban open space. I am talking about the famous Blue Route con- 

 troversy. I wonder whether Federal and State highway agencies 

 couldn't introduce a new principle, namely abstention from taking 

 creek valley lands in suburban areas, if at all possible. We proposed 

 this to the President last Sunday. 



Mr. WHITTON. The last location that I saw, that looked the best 

 to me for the Blue Route in Pennsylvania, took very little of the 

 creek valley that you speak of. I forget the name of it. I wonder 

 if you have seen the proposed location. 



Mr. LOGUE. I have seen it. I disagree with you. 

 Mr. BABCOCK. I suggest you two get together. 



A DELEGATE. I have a question for Mr. Sargent. In the event 

 State and local governments or even another Federal bureau rec- 

 ommend one location for an interstate road and the Federal 

 Bureau of Public Roads insists on another location which in the 

 opinion of the State and communities involved is damaging to the 

 master plan of the area, or to its natural and recreational resources 

 I believe there are about 16 such cases pending at the moment- 

 could not some impartial review board be set up to whom such 



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