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building into all of our road systems, but particularly our scenic 

 roads and parkways, horseback trails, hiking trails, and bicycle trails. 

 We could spend an extra 5 percent of money on these roads to in- 

 corporate these features and make our roads for people. Up to now 

 we have made them for automobiles and primarily for trucks. Let's 

 put them in our highway system. But you can't have any conserva- 

 tion program ultimately unless you have money and this is one of the 

 big questions. I think that we can find sources of money to get a 

 modest program started next year and get it going, but what about 

 1972 when the interstate program is finished? Shouldn't the motor- 

 ist who is really short-changed, in my judgment, in the present in- 

 terstate highway program shouldn't the motorist get a bigger chunk 

 of that money so that we could have an effective Federal-State pro- 

 gram of scenic roads and highways? What about that, panel? 



Mr. MICHAELIAN. I think that's a wonderful idea and I hope 

 that it can be accomplished. The countryside belongs to the people 

 and the people should have an opportunity to enjoy what is being 

 constructed and the manner in which it is being constructed. 



One of the points that I tried to bring out, and I hope that we will 

 take cognizance of it, is that more and more emphasis should be put 

 on the utilization of all the corridors that we have. We have pipe- 

 lines that are being used for aqueducts, gasoline transmission, and 

 oil. We have the railroad roadbeds and they should be utilized to 

 the fullest extent possible and they should never be allowed to be 

 split up piecemeal. They should be kept as corridors and, at least, 

 if we are going to abandon railroads we should use those corridors for 

 truck routes. I would like to see more and more of the emphasis 

 placed on revitalizing railroads to carry commercial traffic. 



Mr. LYNCH. I would say "amen" and one other thing . 



It seems to me if we are to restudy the highway systems we should 

 not only be rethinking of the aesthetic implications, but social impli- 

 cations. I know this is beyond what we are supposed to talk about, 

 but this is one of the critical things our roads are doing to our society. 



Senator FARR. I guess you agree with your boss, Mr. Hartzog? 

 Mr. HARTZOG. Completely. 



Dr. LEVIN. I would like to add without dissenting at all, that our 

 scenic roads study is supposed also to make some findings with respect 

 to alternative means of financing this program and we are going 



