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Mr. DYCKMAN. There is also much to be said for having a single 

 trench, if you are going underground, for more than one utility sys- 

 tem. There are some technical problems in this, but, in the very 

 long haul, I think we are going to have to plan for such systems. 

 Many utilities are changing their technology, making new installa- 

 tions and replacing existing equipment. It seems to me, when this 

 is done, we shouldn't have a lot of incremental decisions, one piled 

 on the other, without regard to some long-run shared interest. The 

 community may have to find the way to do this which will be most 

 economical and in the long run, most aesthetic. 



I am looking for the time when the telephone people, who have 

 problems with this now, are sharing common rights-of-way in com- 

 mon trenches perhaps with the power transmitters and others. 



Mrs. SUSAN STONE. I live in the franchise of the Illinois Power 

 Co., and perhaps Mr. Lischer knows something about them (and 

 their operations) that I don't know. I suspect they haven't heard 

 about some of the suggestions that have been mentioned by the panel 

 today. I wonder very seriously whether a compilation of these sug- 

 gestions will automatically go to all power companies throughout 

 America. 



Mr. CISLER. It is a very good thought, and I can assure you that 

 much of what has been said here will be passed on. 



Mrs. STONE. Thank you. 



I have one other question, and that is, will the panel make spe- 

 cific recommendations to the President tomorrow on Federal incen- 

 tive programs, perhaps to help power companies in local communities 

 shift from above ground to below ground in existing installations 

 and shift to some of the schemes that Mr. Wilcox mentioned, more 

 compatible substations and transformers, this sort of thing? If ex- 

 pense is a factor in shifting, can we look forward to Federal incentive 

 recommendations from your panel? 



Mr. CISLER. There has been no decision made on what the panel 

 will say, but I can assure you that much of what you point out is 

 already being done. 



Mr. McMuLLiN. I would like to comment to the point raised by 

 the lady just now. I know that the American Public Power Asso- 

 ciation is carrying on a very aggressive program to bring to the at- 

 tention of their membership the need for meeting the community 



