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to steady prices. They can no more sell oleomargarine white than 

 you could sell butter white. I have made white butter up in small 

 quantities, and the only people who take white butter are our friends, 

 the Israelites, and they only take it in small quantities. 



Mr. HOARD. One firm in Milwaukee sells 30,000 pounds of white 

 oleomargarine a year one retail firm. 



Mr. FLANDERS. Did you read the first column of this paper you had 

 in your hand? 



Mr. LESTRADE. I read all that article. 



Mr. FLANDERS. That is not by Mr. Kracke. 



Mr. HOARD. You say oleomargarine would not be sold at all in its 

 natural state ? 



Mr. LESTRADE. I say it would not. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. What class of people use this 30,000 pounds you 

 spoke about, Governor ? 



Mr. HOARD. The Polaks and Bohemians. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. I venture to say there are not 30,000 pounds of 

 uncolored oleomargarine in the United States. 



Mr. HOARD. You may venture to say so, but the statement was made 

 by the firm in Milwaukee who sold it. 



Mr. LESTRADE. In regard to this report from which I read, which 

 I picked up yesterday in my office, I wish to say that it is in The 

 New York Produce Review and American Creamery. I inquired who 

 wrote this article, or who gave the figures, and they told me Mr. 

 Kracke. You sa}^ he did not write this article? 



Mr. FLANDERS. The last column is an excerpt from his report to us 

 at the Albany office. The first two columns are not his, and you read 

 from them. 



Mr. LESTRADE. These were not compiled by him, then ? 



Mr. FLANDERS. No. 1 was a little astonished, because his report 

 comes to me personally, and I did not recognize what you read as part 

 of his report. 



Senator HEITFELD. Whose report is it? 



Mr. LESTRADE. It is the New York Produce Review and American 

 Creamery, a dairymen's paper from the city of New York. 



Senator FOSTER. What you read was probably written by some 

 editor? 



Mr. LESTRADE. Yes. I asked one of the assistants yesterday where 

 they got their figures, and I understood him to say they got them from 

 Mr. Kracke. The record of cases he has tried, etc., is on the same 

 page. 



Now, if you will allow me one minute longer, sir, I will try to finish 

 what I have to say in my crude manner. If I had the eloquence of 

 you three gentlemen as public men, I do not question that I could con- 

 vince you of the fallacy of attempting to put what I consider a dangerous 

 precedent upon the dairy interests of this country. 1 know conclu- 

 sively that it will wipe out the export trade. I know conclusively that 

 it will open the door for gigantic speculation, for cornering. It will 

 be possible to do that. We can almost do it now at times. I am free 

 to confess that I have been in where we have made some money cor- 

 nering certain butter in certain parts of the country ; and why is not 

 the question pertinent to you as well as to me and to all of our dairy- 

 men and men interested in butter ? Then what is the trouble ? Merely 

 that we are not making butter enough. If we want to fight oleomar- 



