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though. I want to tell you an experience I had in the house of this 

 man who is promoting this National or Standard Butterine Company 

 here. We called in there, and asked him if he had any of Swift's 

 Jersey Butterine. He said he had. Mr. Neville and Mr. Haugen and 

 Mr. Dahle were with me. I said, "Let me see a package, please." 

 He brought out a package which was absolutely plain. I said, "Is 

 this Swift's Jersey Butterine ? " He said, ' ' It is. " I said, ' ' But I am 

 accustomed to seeing it. I am quite familiar with the brand." He 

 took me for a dealer, from the knowledge I displayed of the differ- 

 ent brands of oleomargarine, and he said, "Well, I will tell you. 

 According to a new rule that has been issued by the Internal-Revenue 

 Department, if they put anything on they must put on the word 

 'oleomargarine,' don't you see; so you would have to have the word 

 'oleomargarine' on it if there was anything printed on it at all." 

 Congressman Neville and Congressman Haugen and Congressman 

 Dahle heard him tell me that thing at that time; and he is now pro- 

 moting a million-dollar plant for manufacturing butterine in the Dis- 

 trict of Columbia. 



Mr. PIRRUNG. Mr. Knight, the United States internal-revenue laws 

 prescribe, under penalty, that each retail lot of oleomargarine shall 

 nave on the wrapper, on the wooden dish, plainly stamped, the name 

 of the seller, his address, and the word "oleomargarine?" 



Mr. KNIGHT. Yes. 



Mr. PIRRUNG. Tell me what injustice there would be to have on the 

 product itself "Swift's Jersey," "Holstein," "Elgin, "or any other 

 name, with that wrapper on the outside, as prescribed under penalty 

 by the United States interal-revenue laws? 



Mr. KNIGHT. What injustice there would be? 



Mr. PIRRUNG. Yes; what injustice? 



Mr. KNIGHT. It would be just about like printing it on ice. You 

 could print it on ice with about the same effect. 



Mr. PIRRUNG. What does the consumer first see? 



Mr. KNIGHT. He does not see anything, as a rule. 



Mr. PIRRUNG. He sees the outside of the wrapper. 



Mr. KNIGHT. And what is the outside of the wrapper ? I have a 

 few of them to exhibit to the committee. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. We must proceed in order here. Who is 

 the next gentleman who desires to be heard ? 



Senator HEITFELD. Is it not time for the committee to adjourn? If 

 we adjourn so late in the afternoon, it does not give me time to look 

 over my mail in the evening, and it makes it rather burdensome in the 

 morning. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I understood there were four gentlemen here 

 to speak for the oleomargarine side. 



Mr. CLARK. The samples of one of the gentlemen have not arrived 

 yet. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. How many of you will be prepared to go on 

 to-morrow? How long a time do you want, Mr. Tillinghast? 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. I shall be through in a hour, at least; perhaps 

 less. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Another gentleman said he would desire to 

 speak for an hour. 



Mr. SCHELL. Yes; but I can say what I have to say at any time. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. You are both ready to go on to-morrow ? 



