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butter, as far as the retail merchant is concerned, or as far as you are 

 concerned? 



Mr. JAMISON. So far as the manufacturer and the wholesale dealer 

 are concerned, the business is thoroughly legitimate. And yet, even 

 before these absolutely prohibitory laws were passed in Pennsylvania, 

 we were asked by dealers to enter fictitious names on our revenue 

 books, and to do other things which we did not care to do, and which 

 we refused to do. But I am sorry to say that there are other dealers 

 in the business, competing with us, who have not hesitated to do these 

 things. 



Mr. SPRINGER. That was because the law made it a crime to do these 

 particular things. If it had been lawful for you to sell the oleomar- 

 garine in the original package, just as you got it from the factory, 

 without breaking the seal and without breaking the internal-revenue 

 stamp, would you have had any embarrassment in delivering it so to 

 your consumers to your purchasers ? 



Mr. JAMISON. Not as a wholesale dealer; no. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. I will ask Judge Springer, is there anything 

 that will prevent the retail dealer from removing the article from the 

 package ? 



Mr. SPRINGER. No thing but the law. The penalties of the law would 

 prevent that. 



Mr. JELKE. May I ask Mr. Jamison one question ? Do you handle 

 renovated butter? 



Mr. JAMISON. We do; but nobody wants it. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Mr. Jamison, do you handle creamery butter? 



Mr. JAMISON. We do. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Do you handle ladle butter ? 



Mr. JAMISON. Very little. That is another thing they do not want. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Do you handle dairy butter ? 



Mr. JAMISON. We get no dairy butter of any consequence. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Do you handle packing stock? 



Mr. JAMISON. Whenever we can get a consignment, but not often. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. I want to ask the gentleman if he has any infor- 

 mation as to the amount of oleo that there is sold in the State of 

 Pennsylvania? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. I will answer that. 



Mr. JAMISON. Mr. Kauffman has the figures. 



Mr. SPRINGER. 11,000,000 of pounds. 



Mr. SCHELL. Mr. Chairman, I think you will bear me out in stat- 

 ing that I have been very patient, and have interrupted but very little, 

 and have always been the last one to ask questions. 



The CHAIRMAN. That is true. 



Mr. SCHELL. The point I want to make now, while all these gentle- 

 men are here, and one on which I think I have a right to insist, is that 

 they go on record before this committee as to their attitude toward 

 colored oleomargarine. That is, I want them to state whether they 

 want to drive it entirely out of the market or whether they are willing 

 that it shall be sold for what it is, if it can be sold for what it is. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. I will answer that question. 



Mr. SCHELL. Now, they have been headed off; they have not been 

 allowed to answer it. I would like them to say for themselves. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN, I will answer that question. 



Mr. SCHELL. I know; but we do not want your answer. 



