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Mr. KAUFFMAN. I represent them all, and you can put all the ques- 

 tions to me you want to put. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. There has been no restraint upon questions. 



Mr. SCHELL. No; but when I ask the question this gentleman says 

 he will answer it. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. You are just taking up my time, sir. 



Mr. SCHELL. No; you are taking my time. I should have gone on 

 to-day. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. No; you are trespassing upon my time. 



Mr. JAMISON. I have no objection to answering that question. Per- 

 sonally, I have no objection to colored oleomargarine as colored oleo- 

 margarine. The fact is that butter is sold white. The highest priced 

 butter made in the United States is sold white. It goes to New York 

 City, Philadelphia, and the best parts of the United States. The color 

 question is immaterial. It varies in every State and in every market. 

 All we want is a law which will compel oleomargarine to reach the 

 individual as oleomargarine. I doubt very much if there is a manu- 

 facturer of oleomargarine, a jobber, retailer, or anyone else who would 

 eat oleomargarine himself; but he will sell it to other people for them 

 to eat. 



Mr. JELKE. I serve it on my table to my family every day, and 

 every man in our employ takes it home for his own use. Mr. Brown, 

 the president of our company, has used it for years on his family table, 

 and prefers it to butter. 



Mr. JAMISON. Well, that is a vitiated taste. 



Mr. DRENNAN. Gentlemen, as long as it is sought to make a point 

 here about colored oleomargarine I have no objection at all to going 

 on record. If you will give me a law which will compel every man to 

 sell these goods for exactly what they are 1 have no objection to the 

 color; but, then, that is not the point. They know just as well as they 

 know they are asking the question that it can not be done. 



Mr. KNIGHT. That is the point. 



Mr. SCHELL. We are only asking if you would have any objection 

 if it can be done. 



Mr. DRENNAN. I stand here to contradict you. You know it can 

 not be done; and you are trying to drive us into a corner. You know 

 that as long as those goods are colored they will be sold for butter, 

 ind don't you forget it. 1 know it, too. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Order, gentlemen. 



Mr. DRENNAN. I want to state emphatically that my experience for 

 twenty years has been that as long as those goods are colored they 

 will dodge any law under heaven. You talk about the revenue law! 

 The revenue agency in our city pays no attention whatever to the 

 enforcement of the law. If- a man is found selling oleomargerine 

 without a license they will simply ask him to go and take one out. 

 They say, " Go and take out your license," and that is the end of it. 



Now, you talk about a certain law called the Wadsworth law. It is 

 no better than the present revenue law, and not half as good as the 

 present law. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. We will now hear Mr. Kauffman. How 

 long a time do you want, Mr. Kauffman ? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. I want to have all the time you can give me. I do 

 not want to trespass upon your patience, however. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Are you ready to go on, Mr. Schell, after 

 this gentleman is through ? 



