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(Mr. Tillinghast rose.) 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Now, let me answer one at a time, for I can not 

 answer more than one at a time. I will answer every question 1 am 

 asked, gentlemen. Oleomargarine does not cost the manufacturer to 

 exceed 8 cents a pound to produce. 



Mr. MILLEK. How do you know that, Mr. Kauffman ? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Oh, it has come to me over and over again, from 

 various sources. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. Do you mean stamped and all, or without the 

 stamp? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Yes ; stamped and all. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. No; you are wrong. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Well, tell us how much it does cost then, gentlemen. 



Mr. BRENNAN. That is the point. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. How much does it cost? 



Mr. BRENNAN. I will answer that question for you, Mr. Kauff man. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Oh, do not answer that, Mr. Brennan; let them 

 answer. 



Mr. BRENNAN. A year ago the average make was sold in Philadel- 

 phia to the wholesale dealers at 11 cents. Fancy goods sold for a little 

 more, of course. 



Mr. MILLER. I will say to you, Mr. Kauffman, that we are making 

 some goods that cost 14 cents. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Yes; but the great proportion of your goods cost 

 what? 



Mr. MILLER. Well, I do not care to say. 



Mr. KNIGHT. Those are the goods that have butter in them ? 



Mr. MILLER. We can not give away the secrets of our trade. 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Oh, of course not. Now, Mr. Chairman, I said it 

 cost them 8 cents a pound, and they denied it; and when I asked them 

 what it did cost, they would not answer. Mr. Drennan has said (and 

 this I know to be so) that the goods are sold to the wholesalers in Phil- 

 adelphia at prices ranging from 11 to 12 and 14 cents a pound, accord- 

 ing to quality. There are grades of oleomargarine, you understand. 



Mr. JELKE. Mr. Kauffman, the better grades of oleomargarine that 

 sell for 14 cents a pound, or higher, contain butter, do they not? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. I understand so. 



Mr. GROUT. So much butter that you can hardly tell them from pure 

 butter. 



Mr. JELKE. This grade of oleomargarine, which contains such a 

 large percentage of butter, contains colored butter. It is colored but- 

 ter which is put into the oleomargarine, is it not? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. That I do not know. 



Mr. JELKE. Well, will this law permit us to make the best grades 

 of oleomargarine, and use colored butter? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Unquestionably, if you pay the 10 cents a pound. 

 That is what I say. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. But you would not permit the sale of colored 

 oleomargarine in Pennsylvania? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Oh, we are not talking about the Pennsylvania 

 law, but about the United States law. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. But I say that the law of the State of Pennsyl- 

 vania to-day does not permit the sale of colored oleomargarine. Does 

 it? 



