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ent law should be amended, if it could, so that the man who wants col 

 ored oleomargarine can order it made and have it made to his order, 

 and supplied to him by the manufacturer without this man, the con- 

 sumer, having to pay this additional tax? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. It can not be done. 



Mr. SCHELL. But if it could ? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. But you are supposing that which is absolutely 

 impossible. 



Mr. SCHELL. No, no. We want to get 7 ou where you are, but 

 when we think we have you, you are not there. [Laughter.] 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. No; I will explain. Since 1886 you have had a 

 law upon the statute books your present law which provides as a 

 penalty for its violation a fine not exceeding $1,000 and an imprison- 

 ment not exceeding two years. You have that law, which was enacted 

 expressly to prevent the sale of oleomargarine, colored or uncolored, 

 as butter; and yet it is ineffective. 



Mr. DAVIS. You have been operating under those conditions for 

 years. 



Mr. DRENNAN. You are stating an impossibility, sir. It is hardly 

 fair. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. One at a time, gentlemen. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. A question I would like to ask, but which I think 

 you have substantially answered, is this : I understood you to say in 

 your remarks that with reference to the State of New York 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. The State of Pennsylvania. 



Mr. TILLINGHAST. (Continuing:) And with reference to the State 

 of Pennsylvania also, that they have substantially produced a compli- 

 ance with their anticolor law, and that in consequence of that there 

 has been an increase in the price of butter ? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. In the city of Philadelphia not in the whole State 

 of Pennsylvania. 



Mr. EDSON. I corrected that statement. 



Mr. DRENNAN. Yes ; and it is not fair to state that if we had enforced 

 a compliance with the law, such and such a result would follow. We 

 are not the parties to do it at all. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Have you finished, Mr. Kauffman ? 



Mr. KAUFFMAN. Oh, I have finished; but I am always perfectly 

 willing to answer questions. 



The ACTING CHAIRMAN. Then I declare the committee to stand 

 adjourned until 10.30 o'clock on Monday morning. 



WASHINGTON, D. O., Monday, January 7, 1901. 



The committee met at 10.30 a. m. 



Present: Senators Hansbrough (acting chairman), Foster, Bate, 

 Money, Dolliver, and Heitfeld. 



Also, Hon. W. D. Hoard, ex-governor of Wisconsin and president of 

 the National Dairy Union ; 0. Y. Knight, secretary of the National 

 Dairy Union; HOD. William M. Springer, of Springfield, 111., repre- 

 senting the National Live Stock Association; Charles E. Schell, repre- 

 senting the Ohio Butterine Company, of Cincinnati, Ohio; W. E. Miller, 

 representing the Armour Packing Company, Kansas City, Mo. ; John F. 

 Jelke, representing Messrs. Braun aiid Fitts, Chicago, 111., and others. 



